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bespoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8th

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1947

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the army air forces has announced a

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flying disk has been found

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and is now in the version of the army

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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an alien threat

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy josh on the game changer network

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good evening all right let's go fade to

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bespoke radio for

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the masses

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uh how you doing

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how you doing today's thursday june 3rd

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155 days into the new year only 210

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but it is beautiful i would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world

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all across the united states

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hitter and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south

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far and near this is fade to black for

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kjcr the game changer network and

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kg r a the planets

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i'm yours jimmy church what is cracking

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how you doing got to get it right

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tonight

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how you doing we got ralph blumenthal on

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the show from new york city tonight

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joining us for the first time we're

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going to discuss his new book the

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believer alien

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encounters hard science and the passion

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that's right no fader night i know it's

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thursday no fader night tonight

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no fader night next week in fact there's

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no fade to black next week

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no fade to black yeah

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you know i haven't uh i haven't taken

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in ever um

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and i you know i'm going to work but i

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this kind of time off of uh from the

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since we started and uh and after this

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of the pandemic and and lockdown

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and and all that stuff that we've been

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uh pretty great uh to get away

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and uh go and work in laughlin at the

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ufo megacon

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and uh so i'll be seeing all of you out

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there i'm i'm very excited about this um

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so many of you have reached out saying

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that you're gonna be there

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and i'm really looking forward to it so

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i leave town on saturday i arrive in

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laughlin

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is here tonight the new book

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best-selling book is out of course the

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believer alien encounters

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hard science and the passion of john

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mack more on that in just a bit

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but uh the links uh for ralph are

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over at jimmychurchradio.com you can

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click right there head straight over

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okay so if you haven't gotten the book

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yet if you're one of the few that has

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read it uh you can certainly go and get

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yourself your very

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own copy and uh i will be at ufo megacon

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this june 6th through the 12th that is

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sunday through next saturday

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i will be there saturday through sunday

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so i'm gonna be there for eight days

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eight is that nine

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following so i'm gonna be there nine

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wow it's gonna be great

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looking forward to it and uh so that

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monday wow am i gonna have fade to black

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will i be back in time oh

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i didn't even think that far ahead folks

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i didn't even think

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that far ahead there may not be a feed

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to black a week from this monday all

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right follow me on twitter

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at jchurchradio at jchurchradio

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the sandboxes hashtag f2b on twitter i

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to youtube right before the show did the

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do the time i mean right out of the gate

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it's like a punch to the throat you can

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people that monitor and manage

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that the chat room over there but i and

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but i enjoy it i got the power man

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oh man where am i at email is jimmy

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jimmyturtradio.com let's get to the

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um oh a couple of things before i get to

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i'm going to speak about this in just a

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uh chariots of the gods is podcast it

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premiered today

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and uh the links are up and it's it's

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a pretty good conversation and i'm going

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to talk more about that

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in in just a bit but it's pretty good

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it's it's worth it

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uh for you to you know you listen to

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this show every single day it is they're

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but yeah yeah eric uh

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uh asked the right questions and it was

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you gotta hear him say hanger one that's

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worth the price of admission

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right there anyway so go and check that

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out i posted it throughout social media

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space x space x's

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space x's latest resupply mission

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some different passengers today 5

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000 tardigrades that's right

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my favorite little insect or is it

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fauna right

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which is both all right 5 000

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tardigrades launched on spacex's

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tardigrades of course are right for

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they are some of the hardiest critters

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animal kingdom see yeah is that fauna

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three times they have they have survived

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in the vacuum of space they reproduced

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in an antarctic lake a

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mile underground and they can return to

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for three decades tardigrades are the

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somebody come on man where is my fader

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not crew where's my picture

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of a tardigrade you guys got to see what

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a tardigrade is hashtag

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f2b they're just absolutely amazing got

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yes that's a tardigrade isn't that isn't

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craziest it's a water bear so fauna

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yep yep yep yep yep researchers at an

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a i based devices that would help

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a team of artificial intelligence

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at koala crossings that's right

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facial recognition technology on koala

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patterns if any

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in crossing the roads the study plans to

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equipment not to only distinguish koalas

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but to be powerful enough to determine

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individual koala bears

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that's right ai coming to a koala

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crosswalk

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near you in eastern australia now

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do you own now this is where i do this

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maybe once or twice a month where i i

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i bring the scary stuff

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here it is do you own

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an amazon echo studio

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do you own an echo dot do you own a

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ring system a ring flood like camera to

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be specific if so

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amazon is about to introduce your device

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to a new type of network

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sidewalk which is meant to help extend

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the range of its low

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bandwidth devices and also to make

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location devices

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such as tile more efficient

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that's where it gets scary how well

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amazon sidewalk shares a small portion

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of your internet

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bandwidth which is pulled together to

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provide

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the services to you and

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and then as more neighbors participate

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the network becomes bigger

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and stronger amazon says that

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sidewalk will get switched on

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this coming june 8th today's june 3rd

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5 days and that it plans to

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opt in all of the eligible

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devices think about what i just said

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so if you own a ring flood like cam a

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ring spotlight cam wired a ring

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spotlight cam

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out an echo an echo dot an echo dot for

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kids an echo dot with clock an echo plus

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an echo show an echo spot

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and echo studio echo input or

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echo flex after june 8th

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you'll be sharing your internet network

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automatically

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with your neighbors what could go

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you need to check out the internet right

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now

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on how to opt out yeah you got that

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smart home

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you need to opt out let's get this show

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cracking happy birthday to today ian

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hunter

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old

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holy crap susie quattro today is 71

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name one susie quattro song i want to

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see it pop up right here don't google it

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slayer's carrie king is 57

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and the metal queen

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doro pesch today is 57. i watched doral

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pash

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videos all day long today man

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man man she's the best she's

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she's so rock and roll i even i went and

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watched interviews

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with dora pesch i love her she's great

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she's the best looks good

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uh her twitter feed's really good if you

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haven't checked it out

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um but uh yeah doralpesh today 57 years

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old lives in new york now

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but all our videos uh that she's posting

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on on twitter look like they're in la

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but there you go our dead guy's birthday

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today is billy powell

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1952 to 2009 died at the age of 56.

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billy of course was the keyboardist of

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leonard

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skynyrd from 1972 until his death in

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2009

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it's how he got the gig as keyboardist

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it's crazy billy for two years

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was the roadie for leonard skynyrd

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nobody knew he could play the piano

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and during an early gig he sat down at a

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piano and launched into

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his version of free bird

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that's right at that moment

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he was offered the position as

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keyboardist that's how billy powell

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got into leonard skinner it's crazy

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crazy story

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think about all those leonard skinner's

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songs man with all that amazing

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think about it sweet home alabama right

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he was the roadie

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he also survived the plane crash in 1977

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that took the lives of ronnie van tan

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steve gaines cassie gaines

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assistant road manager dean kilpatrick

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and both pilots

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billy survived the crash but suffered

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severe facial lacerations

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almost losing his nose but was otherwise

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relatively uninjured

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on january 28 2009 powell suffered a

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fatal heart attack

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died at the age of 56 at his home

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in orange park florida happy birthday

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billy powell

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on this day in history otd 1965.

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120 miles above the earth major

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ed white the second opens the hatch of

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the gemini 4 and steps out of the

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capsule

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here's your fader fact this one sent to

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me by renee

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fader fact elephants

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that's your fader fact that's an amazing

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fader fact

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that's one you got to look up yourself

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you got to vet that one i didn't believe

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it it's true though

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tonight ralph blumenthal joins us we are

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talking about

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he's here for the first time by the way

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all the way from new york city

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we're going to talk about his new book

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the believer alien encounters hard

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science and the passion of john mack

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lots more to discuss with ralph tonight

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as well we'll get to all of that

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and again no fade or night and we'll see

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if we can squeeze in some phone calls

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um at the end of the night and that

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that'll be it i won't uh

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won't be hanging out with you guys for

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like nine or ten days

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yeah taking a break all right

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so uh river moon coffee

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rivermoonwellness.com fade to black

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blend

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pictures right there on the front yeah

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it's the best

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today

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i watched myself yeah

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i did and i

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checked out my conversation with eric

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von daniken on his new podcast it's

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called cherries of the gods i mentioned

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this earlier but

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that is not what is important what is

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important is what i said to start things

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off

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and that was about it being eric who got

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me into things so

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long ago now although that story has

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been told many times here before

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i thought about my mom you know uh today

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kind of kick back and those very

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specific days back then 1972

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back in chicago specifically

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waukegan illinois

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today i just sat back and i'm serious

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man i was just like

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oh man you know just thinking about the

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days

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and i just let those memories flow

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you know and as things just

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started to assemble in my mind

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crazy fun to go through by the way and

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although

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eric is the man this much is certain and

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i don't want to play around with that

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statement but

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there's another individual who's

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probably more responsible for my

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john dubrava

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yeah say what you know i know what you

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who well who is john de brava

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well in fourth grade

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at uh clearview elementary school in

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waukegan

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look it up still there clear view

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elementary school john sat next to me

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in mrs laverty's fourth grade class now

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i remember been going in and i'm like

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the new kid

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in you know in the neighborhood one

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empty desk and i go and i sit down and

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there it is and the guy next to me

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john de brava cool dude

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john became my best friend uh we were

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inseparable over the next uh

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couple of years anyway anyway

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not to bore you with the details of

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childhood stories you know

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there's no reason to go into that but

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everything was

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happening at that time apollo

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right chariots of the gods of course

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astronauts and jet

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planes the moon really cool tv shows

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the six million dollar man

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the night stalker right movies like

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planet of the apes

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and two of the best tv shows in the

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history of everything

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so i spent all of my days and nights

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with john

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and uh you know went to school after

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school

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this that the weekend's over at his

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house

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which was

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literally 100 feet around the corner

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from our place this little apartment

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this underground thing that we lived in

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but anyway

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his house was right there and all we

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00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,480
did was draw moon bases oh man

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00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:02,799
i drew so many moon bases checked out

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all of the ufo books from the library

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you know magazines and

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we watched ufo in space 1999 on tv

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speed racer too but ufo wow

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space 1999 moon base alpha

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at the park across the street from our

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neighborhood

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was the school and uh with this huge

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playground and grass fields it was

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ginormous

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i've looked at it on google maps today

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and it's just as big as i remember it's

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just

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crazy big and at the back of everything

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up you know the back of the schools here

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and back here there were there were

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two baseball diamonds and uh

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these were our very own

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moon base alpha that's it that's it and

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i swear to you

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we played our version of ufo in space

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1999. i don't know how we did it

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all day running around jeez man and

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one of this was a ufo and the other

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you know the interceptor right if you

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watched a ufo you know what the

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interceptor was with that

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i don't know how they they only had one

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shot that

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missile that shot off the front they

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didn't have anything after that so they

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couldn't miss but anyway

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our world was aliens and ufos and the

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good guys defending planet earth

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and uh well of course moon bass alpha

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but

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anyway john and i did

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a really deep dive into ufos for being

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you know like you know

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like nine years old but a pretty good

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deep dive we were drawing

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and reading and watching um pretty heady

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stuff for the fourth grade

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when i think back but it all came

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crashing down

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i mean in in like a matter of a week

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this

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daniken's book

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i saw the movie chariots of the gods you

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know i went to go see the movie

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and right about this time i was in the

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library

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and i got an encyclopedia out

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and i got the encyclopedia with the

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letter u

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that's right flipped it open and found

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the section

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ufo and there it was

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the game changer the rex

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i stared at that thing for what seemed

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like forever

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and i can still see the page today right

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there

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it was a real ufo

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not the stuff from tv or cartoons

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whatever nope this was

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an actual real like for shizzle bonafide

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ufo every single time i see the rex

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heflin

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images today i think about sitting at

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that table in the library

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at clearview elementary school

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the feeling that i got it was a true

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answered a bunch of my own questions and

534
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clarified a few memories

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00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,159
yeah it was my mom

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who showed me about life and how

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00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,080
trippy it was that was my mom and yes

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00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:39,919
she exposed me

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00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,640
to eric von daniken that will never

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00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,000
change

541
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:46,640
but the person who ultimately got me

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where

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i am today is john de brava

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a nine-year-old kid from milwaukee

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when i moved to indiana after the fifth

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00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:57,440
grade i never saw

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00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,279
john again but i never forgot him

548
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,000
years later once i got on the internet

549
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:07,679
back in 1994 i somehow chased him down

550
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,200
i did thought about him looked him up

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00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:14,000
found a phone number and i gave him a

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00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:15,440
call

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00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:18,840
and uh he actually picked up the phone

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00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,559
seriously and we talked we talked for

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00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,120
quite a while it had been over 20 years

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00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,240
since we talked um we got caught up on

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00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,679
things and

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00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,840
promised to stay in touch but we never

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00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:33,279
did

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00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:36,960
to call him a few years later and after

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00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,520
that

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00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,240
he just kind of disappeared from the net

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00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:43,440
and here i am in 2021

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00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:46,480
reliving those memories and how thankful

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00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:46,799
i

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00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,720
your show

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00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:03,039
but a very special thanks to john de

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brava

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00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,159
the kid who truly got me here

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black

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on the game changer network and kgra

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the planet tonight right here ralph

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blumenthal

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joins us for the first time what a great

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week on the show

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rapiding rapidly wrapping

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it up tonight with uh ralph blumenthal

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spoke to ralph earlier today said man

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i'm batting cleanup i said yes you

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are sir we're going to talk about his

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new book the believer

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alien encounters hard signs and the

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passion of john mack

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no fader night tonight no theater night

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next week no shows next week

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but you can follow me on twitter at j

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church radio i'll be posting on twitter

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i'll be right back after this short

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break stay with us

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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jimmy church radio

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church

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what a great week uh we've had here on

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fade to black they're all great but uh

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this week

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uh has uh been one for the books for me

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00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:59,280
personally tonight ralph blumenthal is

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here

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lots of other things to discuss with

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ralph tonight

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finally have him on the show i reached

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out to ralph

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oh man it was probably over a year ago

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um

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and he said i'm i'm in the middle of

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this book jimmy but when it's done

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well he's here tonight and of course

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ralph is a distinguished

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lecturer at baruch college in the city

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university of new york

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he was an award-winning reporter for the

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new york times and has written and

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co-authored seven books on organized

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crime

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cultural history and he has also

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co-authored the recent series

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on the secret pentagon program to

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investigate ufos

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he earned a guggenheim fellowship a

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columbia university graduate school of

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journalism

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alumni award and the niemann

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foundation's

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worth bingham prize since 2010 he has

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taught journalism in the summer program

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of phillips

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exeter academy in exeter new hampshire

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and was named a distinguished

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lecturer at the baruch college where he

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taught journalism and currently oversees

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historic collections at the newman

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library archives that

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that's a lot of words in there ralph

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welcome to the program and how you doing

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00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:23,119
thanks jeremy great to be here it's uh

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it's great to have you

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but uh you get ralph you get the first

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time guest disclaimer

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so let's get that out of the way all

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right which is this it's just you and i

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends

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but we're gonna end his friends you

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ready you got it

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00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,520
okay now um uh

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there's two things i i kind of want to

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start a little bit in the past before we

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move to the present

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but uh the first question is an obvious

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one

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did you have any idea that you would

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tilt the earth on its axis by a couple

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of degrees

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back in december of 2017

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simple answer no uh we were doing what

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reporters do you follow a trail of

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breadcrumbs uh you know do you follow

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the evidence

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um you don't know what kind of an impact

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the story is gonna have

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but this one turned out to have a big

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one

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it was a story revealing the secret

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pentagon operation to

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investigate ufos called atip

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the

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ask about

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your past but i'm very curious um

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00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,630
um to do this with the new york times

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you've been with the new york times

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forever

795
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,240
how do you get that past the editors

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00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,280
and the lawyers and and get this

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uh to print how do you pull that off the

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ufo subject

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00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,119
you know that wasn't that hard jimmy

800
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because we had it all on the record

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there were no

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anonymous sources we had the

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documentation we had lou elizondo's

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letter of resignation

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uh we had everybody speaking on

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no-brainer and

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00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,800
you know this was a uh obviously a you

808
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,760
know sensational subject ufos at times

809
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has dealt with it in the past not always

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00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:39,680
respectfully

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00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:42,720
um but this was a government uh you know

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operation

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00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:47,119
involving the pentagon and we had it

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cold

815
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,400
so we got no pushback from editors they

816
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,920
were very enthusiastic they put it on

817
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the front page on a sunday

818
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:57,200
so that was easy writing it wasn't so

819
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easy

820
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,760
well we're going to get to uh some of

821
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,200
that tonight uh

822
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:03,440
of course i want to talk about john mack

823
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,119
but you personally

824
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,640
um uh by the way i'm never intimidated

825
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,960
right now i'm like nervous i'm like

826
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,839
nervous man

827
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,400
i'm like nervous it's ralph blumenthal

828
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:15,520
is this

829
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,040
um did you have an interest in

830
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:21,839
the subject before 2017 did you have a

831
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:25,119
crazy childhood or something

832
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,640
was i abducted yes actually

833
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,400
you know interesting i had been working

834
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,359
on the john mack book since 2004.

835
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,160
so i'll tell you that story but um you

836
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,000
know before that i was not particularly

837
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,680
interested i grew up you know reading

838
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,280
science fiction like everybody else in

839
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,000
my generation

840
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,280
ray bradbury isaac asimov you know moz

841
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:48,320
bug-eyed monsters um but then i kind of

842
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,119
outgrew that

843
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:51,599
and went on to my career in journalism

844
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,240
which was

845
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:55,280
very earth earth-bound you know all the

846
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,240
mafia

847
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,839
cops corruption um so

848
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,480
until i started on the john macbook no

849
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,400
that was not on my horizon but once i

850
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,680
started on that of course i

851
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:07,760
i did get interested in the subject did

852
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,319
you uh ever listen to long john neville

853
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,200
back in the day sure sure the late night

854
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,119
shows i mean coast to coast now

855
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,160
long john you yeah uh but um

856
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,640
yeah uh gene shepard particularly i love

857
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:23,200
gene shepard oh he was my he was my god

858
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:26,960
i uh i i went back uh

859
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,480
for for years and and listened to

860
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,960
every single long john neville show i

861
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:33,839
could find

862
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,040
i probably spent ten years uh

863
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,720
listening that and learning you know

864
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,520
taking notes on how it's actually done

865
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:43,280
a good teacher yeah yeah he was

866
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,560
incredible and and

867
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,480
the other part about long john which

868
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:47,680
most people don't

869
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:50,560
realize he was on the air from midnight

870
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:51,280
to like

871
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,359
six in the morning that was just a crazy

872
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:57,599
schedule and he did it like six nights a

873
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:58,560
week

874
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:01,839
uh yeah non-stop nonstop well um

875
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,839
so the john mack book you started in

876
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,160
2004

877
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,280
but when 2017 rolls around

878
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:12,160
you are now thrust as an expert into the

879
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:13,520
world of ufology

880
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,480
right now you're suddenly the guy were

881
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,560
you prepared for that

882
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,160
well i wasn't prepared to do anything

883
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,760
for the times i i

884
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,400
i had been with the new york times for

885
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:25,839
45 years

886
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:29,680
uh but i i left i retired in 2009

887
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,960
uh to teach at baruch college to uh

888
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,599
you know to freelance and i continued to

889
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,680
contribute to the times

890
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:39,920
so um i was you know still getting

891
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:42,720
stories into the paper feature stories

892
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,240
you know some um odd

893
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:49,200
collection of things nothing about ufos

894
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,319
so

895
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:52,560
this one caught me by surprise when

896
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,599
leslie

897
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:56,880
uh came to me with this story

898
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:01,520
the um uh history will show us

899
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,280
where journalists uh a few times

900
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,160
have exposed something that ended up

901
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:10,160
being a game-changing thing both

902
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,040
politically

903
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,319
militarily uh culturally

904
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,400
and you don't know it at the time

905
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,760
necessarily

906
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,640
but that certainly happened in december

907
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:22,720
of 2017 where now

908
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,119
the senate is involved the military is

909
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:27,200
involved you've got witnesses coming

910
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,319
forward

911
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,960
uh you've got all of the mass media that

912
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,000
is covering it

913
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,000
60 minutes would have happened two weeks

914
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,119
ago if it wasn't for you and leslie

915
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,280
uh pretty extraordinary how this has

916
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,200
started to roll out

917
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:43,280
well you know in journalism uh

918
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:44,400
everything is timing

919
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,920
you know and a wise old editor once said

920
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,880
to a

921
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,680
young reporter like me get lucky kid

922
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:54,640
[Laughter]

923
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,000
so you know a story that when you do

924
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,160
it one time doesn't get much attention

925
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:01,839
when you do it another time it sort of

926
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,560
catches

927
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,040
the zeitgeist it was the right time

928
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,720
because the ground had been prepared we

929
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,920
weren't the first

930
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,079
to write about ufos leslie first of all

931
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,599
had done a book

932
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,119
she'd done a lot of great reporting

933
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,800
other people had done great reporting in

934
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,599
the field

935
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,920
we don't pretend to be the first but it

936
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:19,200
happened to come

937
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,319
at an interesting time when uh

938
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,400
just you know you could say the stars

939
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:26,319
were aligned i mean the stars is a good

940
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,760
image in this case

941
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:30,400
so um that had something to do with it

942
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,440
timing

943
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:34,160
now um there's a there's another

944
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,200
component

945
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:38,560
for this uh with this for me

946
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,160
as you are looking at at witnesses

947
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,720
quotes right and the evidence and

948
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,400
putting this together

949
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:49,520
was this an easy thing to present uh

950
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,640
to the editorial staff at uh the new

951
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,319
york times and then how did you guys

952
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,760
turn around

953
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,560
and vet the quoted sources and move

954
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:00,319
backwards

955
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,760
okay um it was not a hard story to

956
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,839
present to the times because as i said

957
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:07,200
we had the

958
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:11,839
documentation

959
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,280
and um we had lou elisondo's letter of

960
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:16,960
resignation for example

961
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:21,040
we had stories of people who had worked

962
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,359
on

963
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,400
other

964
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,280
accounts of pilots actually who had seen

965
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,040
these things but that came later

966
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,760
we had an interview with harry reid the

967
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,680
former senate majority leader who told

968
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,359
about how he

969
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,520
assembled the funding the black funding

970
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:38,560
you know from the

971
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,680
pentagon budget um because he it was

972
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:43,359
something he was always interested in

973
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,800
and thought that the story of ufos had

974
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:48,720
gotten short shrift it was a

975
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:51,760
giggle factor you know where people were

976
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,480
afraid to

977
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,440
address it people in high places he was

978
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,880
courageous enough to say

979
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,480
you know let's try to get to the bottom

980
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,800
of this so when we had all that

981
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:01,760
assembled

982
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:04,880
it was not hard was there uh

983
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,480
any uh pushback at that time

984
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,880
uh from the pentagon and the department

985
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,960
of defense as you start to confirm some

986
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:14,400
facts

987
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,319
not then um actually um

988
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:20,640
what was interesting is later they began

989
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,440
to question

990
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,839
lou elizondo's bonafides uh

991
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,160
unfortunately in my view

992
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,640
because we vetted him very carefully we

993
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,480
would not have taken his word for

994
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:32,160
anything

995
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,270
evaluations uh we read his military

996
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:40,400
record

997
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,480
um you know we we checked him out

998
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,440
forwards backwards sideways to make sure

999
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:49,119
that we weren't being sold a bill of

1000
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,079
goods and we

1001
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:52,400
came away convinced based on everything

1002
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,599
we'd seen

1003
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,079
both you know talking to him and and doc

1004
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,680
seeing his documentation

1005
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,359
that he was the real thing he actually

1006
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,200
headed this program he came from an

1007
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,119
intelligence background

1008
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:05,119
he knew what he was talking about and he

1009
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,640
didn't he certainly did not share

1010
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:07,760
everything with us

1011
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,359
um stuff which we did not get from him

1012
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,960
we didn't try to get from him we didn't

1013
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,560
want to go to jail we didn't want him to

1014
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,839
go to jail

1015
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,480
so um but we came away absolutely

1016
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,319
convinced that he was the real thing

1017
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,680
and his his information was genuine

1018
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,319
are you surprised that he finds himself

1019
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,680
today as you know

1020
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,280
we talked about this earlier he was on

1021
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:31,760
the program with us again last night

1022
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,880
um are you surprised to see the position

1023
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,640
that he's in right now with the personal

1024
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,680
attacks

1025
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,520
uh continue somebody's not telling the

1026
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:40,880
truth right

1027
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,760
and uh the the attacks coming out of the

1028
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:45,760
pentagon and now

1029
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,200
apparently his emails have been deleted

1030
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,920
and there's no backup files are are you

1031
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,720
surprised

1032
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,560
about the position that the dod has

1033
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,040
taken yeah i'm surprised they would put

1034
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:58,960
him in that position because you know

1035
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,680
why do you eat your young

1036
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,680
he was obviously a very trusted member

1037
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,119
of the establishment

1038
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,800
as i said we saw his performance

1039
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:08,319
evaluations they couldn't have been

1040
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,040
higher

1041
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,160
he was involved in a lot of secret stuff

1042
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,880
which he did not tell us about but we

1043
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,160
know that

1044
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,599
in that and we're confident that that's

1045
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,920
all true his intelligence background

1046
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,680
so why they would turn on him there's a

1047
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:25,520
lot of infighting in the pentagon

1048
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,720
over this issue we know that um

1049
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,119
and it's a it's it's a hot potato i mean

1050
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,480
it is in many ways

1051
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,920
and they don't know how to deal with it

1052
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,680
they never did

1053
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,680
the pentagon's record on this issue

1054
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,040
going back to

1055
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,079
roswell and before

1056
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,440
and after is not great um

1057
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,520
so you know that's that's probably not

1058
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:49,200
surprising but that they would

1059
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,240
target him in some way seems to me

1060
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,079
really foolish and i don't know whether

1061
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,240
the emails have disappeared for good

1062
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,480
i mean that was reported by somebody

1063
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,559
else we didn't i didn't report that

1064
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,040
but um i don't know whether he has

1065
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,520
copies i did and did he tell you that he

1066
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:06,480
might have copies

1067
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,760
he said he didn't um and of course i

1068
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:11,440
would expect him to say that but

1069
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,800
uh you don't want to show your cards

1070
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,960
but he said something obvious to me last

1071
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:18,400
night ralph which would

1072
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:21,920
is obvious to everybody his emails

1073
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,079
are sent and received with other people

1074
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,400
so those emails exist all over the place

1075
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:30,559
they haven't deleted everybody's files

1076
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,280
right

1077
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:33,920
so they're going to be able to uh to go

1078
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:36,480
after those i am sure that

1079
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:39,520
uh with this latest ig um

1080
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:43,200
investigation into all of this that uh

1081
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,720
this stuff is gonna get uncovered i

1082
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,960
don't think the ig's gonna wanna hear

1083
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:49,040
that the person at the center of all of

1084
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,760
this magically his emails are deleted

1085
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,200
without backups

1086
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,520
right that you know that sounds familiar

1087
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,559
in this field

1088
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:59,200
i mean the roswell record supposedly

1089
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,559
disappeared

1090
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,280
um i don't know they may not have

1091
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:04,880
disappeared for good

1092
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,720
um but uh you know there's a way in this

1093
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:11,280
field of strange things happening

1094
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,359
um and uh and records disappearing so

1095
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,000
um you know i don't think you can really

1096
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,520
hide this for too long

1097
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:22,000
completely there's there's too much uh

1098
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,960
floating around

1099
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:25,359
now uh before we get to john mack i have

1100
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,000
uh what

1101
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,839
i want to take the opportunity to ask

1102
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,079
you about this uh

1103
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:33,040
while you're with us tonight in uh last

1104
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:33,599
year

1105
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,640
uh you and leslie uh in your series of

1106
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:38,640
articles on the subject

1107
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:42,000
um there was buried deep in the article

1108
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:42,800
down at the bottom

1109
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,240
i caught this nobody else

1110
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,119
really mentioned this but i thought it

1111
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:50,800
was one of the most important things

1112
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,920
ever in the history of mankind

1113
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,760
in the bottom of the article you've got

1114
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:56,960
a quote from dr

1115
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:00,480
eric davis and and eric davis says

1116
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:03,680
i'm going to paraphrase here um i

1117
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,599
i i spoke to the senate i i believe

1118
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:10,319
and i told them that our government is

1119
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:11,359
in possession of

1120
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,040
crashed craft right alien craft

1121
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:18,720
end quote and i thought why isn't

1122
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:22,240
anybody following up on this why uh

1123
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,240
why isn't there some more journalists uh

1124
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:28,160
taking a look at this because that's a

1125
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:29,280
that's a historic

1126
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,319
statement um when

1127
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,240
how did you get that was that a quote

1128
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,400
directly from eric

1129
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:39,119
and and and do you have a response i

1130
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,079
don't know

1131
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,000
but do you have a responsibility to go

1132
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,680
back and vet his

1133
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,680
source and and the reason why he said

1134
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:47,839
what he said

1135
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:50,880
well um i don't want to go

1136
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,480
too deep into you know who said what

1137
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:56,319
that we used in the paper but let me

1138
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,520
just say this

1139
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,400
um there was a progression of stories

1140
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:01,839
from the december

1141
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:04,960
um 17 story to

1142
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,480
2017 about existence of atip so that

1143
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:10,640
laid the groundwork then we branched out

1144
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:11,599
and we did

1145
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,559
other reporting uh pilots who had had

1146
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:16,640
close calls with some of these objects

1147
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:16,960
the

1148
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,160
eyewitness accounts of pilots um

1149
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,880
stuff seen from some of the ships uh in

1150
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:24,480
the carrier group

1151
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,599
um and then the last part of those

1152
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,760
stories was the most difficult one

1153
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:32,160
which you zeroed in on which was the

1154
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,119
story of

1155
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:36,640
possible material recoveries and

1156
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:40,400
this area is heavily classified

1157
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,920
and it's not easy to get and

1158
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:46,240
what we were able to get and i know this

1159
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:47,440
disappointed

1160
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,480
some people out there in the blogosphere

1161
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:53,040
who kept uh you know wanting to us to

1162
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,319
say more

1163
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,079
and we're basically tracking our

1164
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,160
reporting as we went which made it very

1165
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,000
uncomfortable for us but anyway

1166
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:02,640
uh what we were able to to confirm to

1167
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,920
the point we could put it in the new

1168
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,359
york times

1169
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:08,079
and again well sourced and not

1170
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,119
speculative

1171
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:12,000
and on the record and you know fully

1172
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:13,200
attributed

1173
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,720
was that eric davis um

1174
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,319
among a number of other people had

1175
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:21,359
briefed congressional committees

1176
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,040
on with some slides which we got

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00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,079
uh on the subject of

1178
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,599
material recoveries now

1179
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,359
the best we were able to say which is

1180
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:34,960
what we could confirm

1181
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:38,400
was that congressional committees

1182
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,160
were briefed on the issue of material

1183
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:44,800
recoveries okay

1184
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,160
without a lot of detail and and in those

1185
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,319
slides that were used to brief

1186
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,359
um congressional committees the senate

1187
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:55,040
armed services committee and the senate

1188
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,160
intelligence committee

1189
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:59,280
particularly um there was reference in

1190
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:00,160
those slides

1191
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:04,480
to um off-planet vehicles

1192
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,000
possible off-planet vehicles now

1193
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:10,319
there wasn't a lot of detail and not in

1194
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,040
the story

1195
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:13,680
and not what we could get but what we

1196
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,240
could get

1197
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,400
and what we could confirm was that this

1198
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,240
information was contained

1199
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,160
in briefings and it was referenced in

1200
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,480
slides that were shown

1201
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,559
to high-level congressional committees

1202
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,920
and to me that's pretty

1203
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,680
pretty dramatic that's that's a holy

1204
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,000
crap moment ralph for sure

1205
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:32,880
well i i'm glad you agree we thought so

1206
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:33,359
and

1207
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,640
again there were people who said well

1208
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,480
why didn't you say more and why didn't

1209
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,240
you spell out you know more

1210
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,880
detail and the fact is we could only

1211
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:41,520
report

1212
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,800
we had um

1213
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:47,119
confirmed and there's a lot of stories

1214
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,079
floating around

1215
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,800
out there um by people who don't have

1216
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,839
the same standards

1217
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,920
as the new york times and i'm you know

1218
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,440
good for them i mean they can say what

1219
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,040
they want on the internet

1220
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,720
but when we're going to put in the new

1221
00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:00,720
york times it has to be vetted it has to

1222
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,599
be on the record

1223
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,280
and we have to be very clear on what

1224
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,640
we're saying what we're not saying

1225
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,480
what's not speculation

1226
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,280
um and what we were able to prove

1227
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,200
absolutely to our satisfaction to our

1228
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:12,720
editors satisfaction

1229
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,040
was that these briefings took place now

1230
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,440
you if you think that

1231
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,960
congressional committees would be

1232
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,520
briefed with lies and nonsense

1233
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:23,680
then you can wave all that off but if

1234
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:24,880
you believe

1235
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:27,440
as we felt obviously important enough to

1236
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,240
report

1237
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:31,760
that this information had some

1238
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,839
merit to it even without all the details

1239
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,119
that we could provide

1240
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,640
just the fact that congressional

1241
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,480
committees were briefed

1242
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:42,960
on the subject of material recoveries

1243
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:43,599
with

1244
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:47,119
you know were

1245
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:51,119
um which were their shorthand for uh

1246
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,559
uh and you know unidentified uh you know

1247
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:57,599
aerial vehicles or anomalous aerial

1248
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:58,640
vehicles

1249
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:01,839
um otherwise described and this was

1250
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,119
crucial as not of this earth

1251
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,559
okay just those little those few little

1252
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,760
things

1253
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,839
to us made it an interesting story and

1254
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,760
you're right and some of it was put down

1255
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,359
at the bottom of the story

1256
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,280
because it was the way it emerged in the

1257
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,960
telling of the story so we didn't want

1258
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,160
to hype it and

1259
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,680
you know put stuff at the top of the

1260
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,000
story that would then have to be

1261
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,640
um you know elaborated on we had to put

1262
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:29,040
it in exactly the order we put it in

1263
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:32,960
so that it would satisfy uh you know

1264
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:36,160
our rigorous standards so if this sounds

1265
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,720
kind of

1266
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:39,440
you know mumbo jumbo i'm trying to be

1267
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,559
careful

1268
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:43,359
and explain why the story appeared the

1269
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,559
way it did

1270
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:47,520
and why we're proud of it why we think

1271
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:48,240
as you do

1272
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,079
that it it advanced the paradigm um

1273
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:55,280
and um you know there's obviously more

1274
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,160
to come

1275
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,280
well here's the thing uh we all know i

1276
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,040
mean it's the new york times

1277
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,160
right that's it so you have you

1278
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,240
you not only have the quote but you have

1279
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,400
the source of the quote in print it's

1280
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:10,079
the new york times

1281
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,359
and as a reader uh or anybody else

1282
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:15,119
you know that there are certain

1283
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,400
standards there

1284
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,559
that this quote was vetted the source

1285
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,880
was vetted and that's how it made it in

1286
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,720
and made it through the editorial

1287
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:23,920
process

1288
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,559
so therefore this quote has gotten merit

1289
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,400
the the rest of the world didn't freak

1290
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,319
out like i did ralph and that

1291
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,079
it's like that's the most important

1292
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,319
statement in the history of the world

1293
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,240
well you're ahead of a lot of people and

1294
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:40,079
i'm glad you picked up on it because we

1295
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:41,119
thought it was important the time

1296
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:42,400
slaughter was important because they put

1297
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,599
it in the paper

1298
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,760
and but they wanted to put it in you

1299
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,400
know in the right context so as not to

1300
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,799
go beyond what we were able to report

1301
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,799
and i think we kept it within

1302
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,799
you know the boundaries i mean obviously

1303
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:57,119
you did plenty of room for speculation

1304
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,880
and if you want to you know riff on from

1305
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,240
there what's possible what's not

1306
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:02,400
possible but that's not our job

1307
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,839
off-world vehicles that's strong

1308
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,240
that's strong i mean that's it's where

1309
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,119
you have to personally you have to uh

1310
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,440
you have to cross the line and start to

1311
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:15,520
accept things the way they are i mean

1312
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,319
you you don't

1313
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,240
you don't read between the lines with

1314
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,079
statements like that do you

1315
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,480
right no no i mean they're either rs or

1316
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:24,000
you know or rs

1317
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:27,440
us or our adversaries or they or they

1318
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:28,160
ain't

1319
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:31,920
somebody else's

1320
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:35,040
so uh uh let's let's uh

1321
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,799
get ready for our first break let's go

1322
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,240
ahead and get that in and

1323
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:40,000
we when we come back we'll jump straight

1324
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,520
over to john mack

1325
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:44,160
and i do want to thank you uh for all of

1326
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,280
your work uh

1327
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,160
of course with leslie kane because we

1328
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,920
are in some of the most interesting

1329
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,960
times

1330
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:53,440
probably as in ever you know and i'm

1331
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,000
sure that you

1332
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:57,040
feel it right let's take our break right

1333
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,680
here

1334
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,599
guess tonight ralph blumenthal now when

1335
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,280
we come back we're going to talk

1336
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:03,280
about his new book best-selling book it

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00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,960
is called the believer

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00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:06,960
alien encounters hard science and the

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00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,079
passion of john

1340
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,720
mack i am your host jimmy church this is

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00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,160
fade to black and the game changer

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00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,559
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00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:16,079
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00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:22,050
short break stay with us

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01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,520
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,880
host jimmy church tonight ralph

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01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,000
blumenthal

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01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,200
and uh very excited about this

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01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:43,039
conversation tonight

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01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,720
we're gonna talk about his new book it's

1465
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:46,480
called the believer alien encounters

1466
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:47,920
hard science and the passion of john

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01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,799
mack

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01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:50,799
and uh i wanted to ask you a really

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01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:52,240
quick ralph the uh

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01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:55,440
the world of manhattan and uh the piece

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01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:55,839
that

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01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:57,920
uh the new yorker did a couple of weeks

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01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:59,039
ago that centered

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01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:01,200
around uh leslie and it was just an

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01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:03,119
amazing read by the way

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01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,400
that part of society that world

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01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,720
how are they dealing with this ufo

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01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:11,599
subject that has been thrust upon them

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01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,760
well you mean people in new york yeah

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01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:15,680
have a lot of sightings

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01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:18,400
uh it's hard to imagine but there's a

1482
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:19,520
wonderful book on

1483
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:22,400
a compilation of uh ufo sightings that i

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01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:23,119
wrote up

1485
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:26,319
actually before the december 17 piece in

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01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:30,480
in the times on on on atip

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01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,520
i wrote a piece on this um these two

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01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:36,160
women um

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01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:39,760
cheryl costa and i forgot her partner

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01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:42,559
who put together this compilation of

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01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,200
sightings

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01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:46,319
analyzing them from every possible you

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01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:46,640
know

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01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:49,920
shape and time of day and month and

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01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:53,520
you know state and unbelievable

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01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:56,240
work of scholarship and i found a lot of

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01:05:03,029 --> 01:04:58,480
sightings in new york

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01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:03,039
to my surprise um so um

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01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,880
and the new yorker obviously is not just

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01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,559
you know for new york it goes around the

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01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:08,400
country goes around the world so

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01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:11,280
it was a very well-read piece and it did

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01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:11,839
go

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01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:13,760
in a lot into you know leslie's

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01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,000
background and why she's such an expert

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01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:18,079
and sort of how you know how we got the

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01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:19,599
story in the new york times

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01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,640
so it was an amazing piece the best

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01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:24,000
sighting in new york

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01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:25,680
well there's been so many like you said

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01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:28,240
but i i got to tell you john lennon

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01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:31,920
that's uh that story um

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01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:34,240
you know if you just take it at uh face

1514
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:36,079
value it's it's absolutely

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01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,960
extraordinary but it's john lennon yeah

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01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:40,240
with one of the most

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01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:43,440
yeah yeah no no yes unreal

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01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,359
um okay now uh john mack

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01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:49,920
who uh for me and for the rest of the

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01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:51,520
ufo community

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01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,640
one of uh the most respected individuals

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01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:56,559
you know of course with an extraordinary

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01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:57,760
background

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01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:01,839
hard-fought battle uh uh attacked like

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01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:05,359
uh nobody else but uh what a special

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01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:08,160
individual what attracted to you

1527
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,760
uh what attracted you to his story

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01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:14,160
uh well i picked up a book by john mack

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01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:15,359
first of all i guess we should tell

1530
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:16,400
listeners

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01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:18,000
maybe there's only a few out there who

1532
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,520
don't know who john mack is

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01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,319
or was but he was a harvard a professor

1534
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:24,799
of psychiatry very eminent

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01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:27,839
um who had written a

1536
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:30,960
biography of lawrence of arabia a

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01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:32,160
psychobiography

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01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,240
which won a pulitzer prize this was long

1539
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:36,160
before he got involved in

1540
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,760
alien abduction ufos etc um and he was

1541
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:41,200
very well grounded

1542
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:44,559
you know um he uh

1543
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:46,880
protested nuclear weapons he worked on

1544
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:47,920
middle east peace

1545
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,039
uh initiatives met with yasser arafat

1546
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,680
uh he was very involved in social causes

1547
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:55,680
and then through a series of steps that

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01:07:08,150 --> 01:06:55,920
i

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01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,160
the world than just the four corners

1550
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:10,079
that you know most people see and accept

1551
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:11,359
his reality

1552
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,319
and he heard stories from people who are

1553
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:16,079
coming out with these you know amazing

1554
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:18,400
experiences which he couldn't explain

1555
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:21,920
and as a psychiatrist he knew they were

1556
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:24,640
um not you know they were not nightmares

1557
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:25,599
they were not

1558
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:27,280
hallucinations these people weren't

1559
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,599
crazy we can talk about about all that

1560
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:30,799
why he thought

1561
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:33,920
the stories were genuine anyway um so he

1562
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:35,680
became

1563
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:38,720
a researcher on his own uh

1564
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,280
in this really interesting field of

1565
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:43,440
alien abduction people who

1566
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:47,760
remembered or believed

1567
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,789
that got him into trouble at harvard he

1568
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,319
was put under investigation by a

1569
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,319
committee looking into his beliefs and

1570
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:02,160
his methods and his finances and

1571
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:03,680
everything else

1572
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:06,960
he emerged okay no charges

1573
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,160
they thought he was a little too

1574
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:10,559
enthusiastic which he was

1575
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:13,680
he admitted that he was a little naive

1576
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:16,799
which i point out in the book but um he

1577
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:18,400
was also very courageous

1578
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,600
and and had a superb investigative mind

1579
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,600
he was a brilliant intellect

1580
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:25,600
so anyway that's who john mack was and

1581
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:26,960
that's why it's an interesting story

1582
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:28,480
because you don't expect the harvard

1583
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:29,759
psychiatrist

1584
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:32,880
to be involved with you know aliens um

1585
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,239
was he um prior to you know

1586
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,440
an awakening of sorts was he

1587
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,920
was he more pragmatic was he more black

1588
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:42,880
and white

1589
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,520
uh before this this spiritual change

1590
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,359
yeah he he definitely was very

1591
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,359
conventional he was brought up as i

1592
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,199
you know go through in the book he was

1593
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,120
brought up in a conventional german

1594
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:57,679
jewish household a prosperous family

1595
01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:59,839
uh his father and stepmother were both

1596
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,759
professors his mother died when

1597
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,520
he was eight and a half months old of

1598
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,440
appendicitis and that was a wound that

1599
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,799
stayed with him his whole life and

1600
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,400
explained a lot as i

1601
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:10,239
say in the book explained a lot of his

1602
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,679
searching for

1603
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,920
you know the perfect woman in the world

1604
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,440
to replace his mother

1605
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,440
which he never never got over mourning

1606
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:19,679
but anyway his parents were conventional

1607
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:20,560
professors

1608
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:23,759
uh uh not not particularly religious and

1609
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:24,159
not

1610
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:28,000
spiritual um and uh when he first heard

1611
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,640
about

1612
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:30,560
this whole alien abduction business and

1613
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:33,279
he heard about a guy named bud hopkins

1614
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:36,400
um who an artist who was investigating

1615
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:37,120
this and

1616
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,799
you know a colleague said would you like

1617
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,960
to meet bud hopkins he said no way

1618
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:43,199
that guy's got to be crazy you know and

1619
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:44,239
all these people

1620
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:45,600
coming to him with their story they got

1621
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:48,640
to be crazy too so he had the same view

1622
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,520
that you know

1623
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,520
many people have when they hear about

1624
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:53,359
this for the first time this cannot be

1625
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:54,480
true

1626
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,960
um but through these steps that i

1627
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:58,800
outlined in the book he changed

1628
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,400
uh you know 180 degrees um

1629
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:04,480
because the weight of the of the

1630
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:05,600
evidence and there was

1631
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:08,320
evidence um not the kind of evidence

1632
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:08,719
that

1633
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,159
might satisfy the harvard committee or

1634
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:14,719
carl sagan let's say right but there was

1635
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:16,000
evidence that he

1636
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,120
went through very painstakingly that

1637
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,960
convinced him that there was something

1638
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,159
to this

1639
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:24,800
uh that he could not explain do you feel

1640
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:25,280
that

1641
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:28,480
there was uh a moment

1642
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,640
you know there was the first connecting

1643
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:32,239
of the dots

1644
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:34,480
where that's it now he's in another

1645
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:37,199
reality do you know what that moment was

1646
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,120
yeah um it happened pretty fast uh

1647
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,760
he went to visit bud hopkins uh first he

1648
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,360
said he wouldn't

1649
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,120
then he was in new york and you know

1650
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:49,600
these strange things that happen in life

1651
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:52,880
where you life turns on a dime you know

1652
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,320
uh kind of a synchronicity or whatever

1653
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,480
and i again i i go into this in in more

1654
01:11:00,870 --> 01:11:00,159
detail in the book it's kind of a funny

1655
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:00,880
story

1656
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,920
but uh he was in new york um

1657
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:06,000
and uh he decided he was gonna call bud

1658
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,520
hopkins after all

1659
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,280
so he goes to see bud hopkins bud

1660
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,040
hopkins gives him a bunch of letters

1661
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:13,120
from people who reacted to his

1662
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,199
but but hawkins wrote a couple of books

1663
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:16,960
before john mack ever got into this

1664
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:17,360
about

1665
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:19,040
people you know with alien abduction

1666
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:20,400
experiences

1667
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:22,000
and but hopkins said here are people who

1668
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,600
wrote me these letters you know about

1669
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,280
their experiences why don't you look at

1670
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:27,280
them you're the psychiatrist he's i'm

1671
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:27,679
just an

1672
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,880
artist you know it's not my field

1673
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,880
so john mack took the letters and read

1674
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,080
through them and said you know

1675
01:11:39,910 --> 01:11:37,360
holy whatever um you know this is

1676
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:39,920
amazing stuff and this can't be real

1677
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,560
because

1678
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:42,560
it doesn't comport with our idea of

1679
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:43,760
reality

1680
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:46,800
um but then very quickly he gathered

1681
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,280
around him a group of these people

1682
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:51,280
you know who are called experiencers

1683
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:52,800
which is maybe a better word than

1684
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,480
abductees because it's non-judgmental

1685
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,239
he gathered them all kinds of people

1686
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:00,560
from different walks of life men women

1687
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:03,440
even some children and started to listen

1688
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:06,960
to their stories and he was blown away

1689
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:10,320
because the stories were so um gripping

1690
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:12,159
and so authentic

1691
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:15,520
and um so original and yet

1692
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:18,800
consistent uh with each other

1693
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:28,630
explain um anyway so that was the moment

1694
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:28,960
it

1695
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:31,120
did happen pretty fast he didn't you

1696
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:33,120
know have to think about it a long time

1697
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:36,800
now uh what about you

1698
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:40,239
what about ralph blumenthal

1699
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:47,510
well i've never been abducted um and

1700
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:50,080
neither by the way was john mack

1701
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:54,400
and he never even saw ufo

1702
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,920
and he he was a little disappointed

1703
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,840
throughout his life he felt that he was

1704
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,440
missing out on something

1705
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,679
but then he realized that he was a

1706
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,840
better witness

1707
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:07,840
as somebody who didn't really

1708
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:11,440
participate in the experiment himself

1709
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:14,400
but that he only was an outsider and he

1710
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:15,120
he could be

1711
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:18,239
dispassionate let's say um so to

1712
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,120
to some extent i i echo that i mean i

1713
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,800
can't say i've had

1714
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:25,440
um you know no any any experience like

1715
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,080
that

1716
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,800
and i guess it's kept me pure like like

1717
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:30,239
he said he was

1718
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,280
um and actually i take pains in the book

1719
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,840
not to take a position i i try to lay it

1720
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:37,679
out and people who read the book tell me

1721
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,400
that

1722
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,159
they didn't know you know what i was

1723
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:41,840
thinking about john mack i mean where

1724
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,400
you know

1725
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:44,719
what my opinion was until the end where

1726
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,159
i kind of show my hand

1727
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:48,400
and i do describe him as a hero spoiler

1728
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:49,360
alert

1729
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:52,400
um but um so

1730
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,880
uh so that's my story i mean i can't you

1731
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:56,880
know i'm a reporter i came to it like

1732
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,440
every

1733
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:59,520
reporting project here's a guy who you

1734
01:14:01,750 --> 01:14:01,199
don't expect to do something and he does

1735
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:01,760
it

1736
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,600
head and i had

1737
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:08,320
the advantage of access to all his

1738
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,239
archives which his family

1739
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:13,679
provided without condition i'm happy to

1740
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,800
say

1741
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,400
they didn't even ask to see anything

1742
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:18,080
before it was published

1743
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:21,679
um so by by you know

1744
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:24,239
reading um everything he wrote and

1745
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:26,080
listening to tapes he made in his own

1746
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:28,080
therapy sessions because he was a shrink

1747
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,360
so he had to be

1748
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:32,000
analyzed himself and he taped them he

1749
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:33,360
taped himself

1750
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:36,000
so i listened to that stuff and i had i

1751
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,440
think i had a pretty good idea of what

1752
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:38,960
was going on in his mind

1753
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:42,400
so even without being abducted myself

1754
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:45,840
um i i think i had a pretty good vantage

1755
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,320
point

1756
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,000
especially since i i was able to

1757
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,600
interview a lot of experiencers myself

1758
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:53,520
some of them one that he interviewed and

1759
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:56,000
others that that i met after

1760
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:59,199
he did so um i had my own you know

1761
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:00,080
database

1762
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,520
what kind of filter are you

1763
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:05,199
going through i mean you're walking

1764
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:06,640
around new york or

1765
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:09,679
driving certainly you have moments to

1766
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:10,000
think

1767
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:13,040
about this you know how do you how do

1768
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,320
you get to the end what

1769
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,159
what do you think is ultimately

1770
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:17,679
happening here

1771
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,640
you know that is the big question um and

1772
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:22,400
john mack never solved it another

1773
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:24,960
spoiler alert you can't read my book and

1774
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:26,000
say i'm gonna

1775
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,159
get to the end of this mystery uh

1776
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,760
because the answer is gonna be at the

1777
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:31,440
end on the last page you know it's not

1778
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:31,920
like an

1779
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,640
agatha christie um you know where you

1780
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:36,159
find out who did it

1781
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:39,040
so um that is the fascinating thing

1782
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:39,840
about this

1783
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:42,880
this whole business um

1784
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:45,920
it is unfathomable by our

1785
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:48,800
existing state of knowledge there are

1786
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:50,080
interesting

1787
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,120
uh clues scattered along the way and one

1788
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,640
of the clues is

1789
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:57,280
that this is not made-up stuff this is

1790
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:58,080
not people

1791
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:00,400
looking for publicity this is not

1792
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:01,600
insanity

1793
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,320
this is not the the delusion of crowds

1794
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,120
as i say in the book i found out more

1795
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:11,840
about what it was not

1796
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:14,800
than what it was and i think that's

1797
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,600
helpful it's not a cop-out

1798
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,520
because when you rule out some things

1799
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,600
that this the so-called skeptics who

1800
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,040
don't really do the work they don't

1801
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:25,280
really read all the literature they just

1802
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:25,920
say

1803
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:28,640
this is crazy which we can all agree it

1804
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:29,840
is crazy

1805
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,600
um but um when you when you go through

1806
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:35,120
it

1807
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,040
you can eliminate you can eliminate a

1808
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:38,880
whole bunch of things

1809
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:41,280
and then what what you're left with is

1810
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:43,360
really the core of the mystery

1811
01:16:46,830 --> 01:16:45,679
uh and the core of the mystery is that

1812
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:46,840
something

1813
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:51,199
and it doesn't happen to everybody it

1814
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:53,760
didn't happen to me and why it happens

1815
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,520
to some people and not other people

1816
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,600
is really one of the central mysteries

1817
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:59,199
what do these people have

1818
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:01,199
is it some feature in their psyche or

1819
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,679
their brain that attracts this kind of

1820
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,120
activity

1821
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:07,440
are the aliens whoever or whatever they

1822
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,440
are attracted only to certain people

1823
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:11,120
because it does seem to run in families

1824
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,159
they know that

1825
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:14,719
that if you're if you've been abducted

1826
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,640
or if you've had an abduction experience

1827
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:18,400
probably your parents have had it

1828
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:20,159
probably your children will have it

1829
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:22,880
now i don't know why that that is but

1830
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:24,560
that's what john mack found that's what

1831
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:26,080
the literature says

1832
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:29,520
that's that that seems to be a very

1833
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:30,400
common

1834
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:32,640
feature in this this whole mysterious

1835
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:33,600
affair

1836
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,719
so um when you ask you know

1837
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,320
what do i think when i'm walking around

1838
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:40,159
well i don't see people getting abducted

1839
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:40,880
on the street

1840
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:43,360
okay so i know it's not happening in

1841
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,199
that kind of reality

1842
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,280
um and yet when you hear the people

1843
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:48,880
talking about it

1844
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,080
uh which i've done at great length um

1845
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:55,440
it's very convincing they have no motive

1846
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:56,239
to lie

1847
01:18:02,070 --> 01:17:59,440
they're not then they're not happy to

1848
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:02,080
share their experience they're ashamed

1849
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,880
um

1850
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:04,640
they don't know why it happened to them

1851
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:06,400
how it happened to them but when they're

1852
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:08,080
telling you these stories

1853
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:11,360
it is so compelling and so um

1854
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:14,719
visceral and

1855
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:17,040
so authentic which is exactly what john

1856
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,640
mack found and that was his job as a

1857
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:19,920
psychiatrist to judge

1858
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:22,960
people's you know authenticity

1859
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:25,440
and i don't have the tools he had so all

1860
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,080
i have is my

1861
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:28,719
journalistic common sense but he had you

1862
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,600
know all the

1863
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:31,199
training of a psychiatrist but we

1864
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:33,040
basically came to the same conclusion

1865
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,719
that

1866
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,320
something has happened to these people

1867
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:38,560
that we can't explain but something

1868
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:42,400
in some reality real

1869
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:45,760
who would want to

1870
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:48,640
tell their friends or family or boss or

1871
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:49,840
co-worker

1872
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:52,880
that they were abducted by aliens right

1873
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:56,239
nobody's going to want to do that nobody

1874
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:59,760
no nobody and very often they don't tell

1875
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:00,880
their spouses

1876
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,000
right um they're walking around with

1877
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:06,239
this terrible secret because it is too

1878
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:07,679
shameful

1879
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:10,320
to admit i mean it is so bizarre and

1880
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,840
that's the other thing about this

1881
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,400
there's a core abduction what we call a

1882
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,640
core abduction story sort of the main

1883
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:18,800
elements you know you see a

1884
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:22,000
ufo somewhere you become maybe

1885
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,840
at night but not only at night but let's

1886
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,120
say at night

1887
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:27,760
uh then the next thing you're aware some

1888
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:28,239
you know

1889
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:30,320
strange creatures or beings in your in

1890
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:31,600
your bedroom

1891
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,640
uh you are you are wide awake or you're

1892
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:36,960
convinced you're wide awake

1893
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,080
then you are zapped in some way with a

1894
01:19:43,040 --> 01:20:03,270
your beam through a solid wall

1895
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,390
they'd see you know on a subsequent

1896
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:08,400
abduction so that's the sort of the

1897
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,920
basic story that people

1898
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,760
have told but then there's all kinds of

1899
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,679
other stories that don't fit

1900
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:15,600
and that's what makes it even more you

1901
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,800
know complex and

1902
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,440
and weird that it's not just one story

1903
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,880
that everybody's telling oh yeah you

1904
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:22,239
know the abduction story so you're

1905
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:23,920
telling the abductions

1906
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:26,719
it's details that you you couldn't

1907
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:27,840
possibly think of

1908
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,600
to make up say oh my god that's the

1909
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:31,440
craziest thing i ever heard

1910
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,800
and then you hear some other story and

1911
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:34,639
you say no that's the craziest thing i

1912
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:36,000
ever heard

1913
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:39,840
so anyway no that's exactly

1914
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:42,880
you're that's a really really good point

1915
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:45,040
and and there's there's another element

1916
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:46,320
to this that

1917
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:49,440
uh needs to be made

1918
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:53,520
with bud bud hopkins and and john mack

1919
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:57,520
they did their best to

1920
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,040
uh to fight the

1921
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:03,760
the crazy stuff of these subjects and

1922
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:04,320
and of

1923
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:06,960
ufos they wanted to focus on the science

1924
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,199
they wanted to focus on the facts

1925
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,760
and they wanted to keep things as real

1926
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,360
as they could

1927
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:15,280
and they'd you know and they they didn't

1928
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:17,120
want to associate themselves with the

1929
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:19,440
crazier sides and claims

1930
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,600
in in ufology and they really fought

1931
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:23,040
this

1932
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:26,960
like a tar baby

1933
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:29,920
i mean you you you get involved with

1934
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:32,800
this and i've seen it myself

1935
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:35,600
um and you sound crazy after a while

1936
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:36,880
talking about this stuff

1937
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:40,719
and um you know i i i'm a journalist

1938
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:44,080
a writer a new york times reporter a lot

1939
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:45,280
of my career

1940
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,480
um and yet when i tell you know

1941
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:50,400
tell these stories or so i say i know i

1942
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:52,080
sound crazy you know

1943
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,440
um but um

1944
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:57,920
you know john mack and bud hopkins and

1945
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:00,719
david jacobs who was a professor who

1946
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:02,719
also did independent research and then

1947
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:05,120
they worked in some ways together

1948
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:08,840
um they tried to bring a scientific

1949
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:12,800
rigor uh to their to their research

1950
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:15,360
uh and that that was that worked up to

1951
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,239
up to a point

1952
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:18,080
i mean they they had very good

1953
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:19,360
intentions

1954
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:23,520
um the problem is that the the field

1955
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:26,639
almost defies uh rigorous scientific

1956
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:28,000
investigation because first of all

1957
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:28,880
you're talking about

1958
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:31,760
the science of human beings um and

1959
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:33,040
there's

1960
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:36,719
and it's all anecdotal uh because of its

1961
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:38,239
very nature

1962
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,679
uh there's no evidence i'm gonna

1963
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:44,159
i'm gonna contradict myself in a moment

1964
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:45,360
i was gonna say there's no

1965
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:47,120
evidence involved there is evidence

1966
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:49,760
involved it's fragmentary which john

1967
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:51,840
mack always pointed out

1968
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,800
and it's very unsatisfying because the

1969
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:56,320
people who want

1970
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:58,320
you know hard solid evidence like show

1971
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:00,639
me an ashtray from a ufo

1972
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,440
uh let you know let me see one land on

1973
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:05,679
the white house lawn is the popular

1974
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:08,880
formulation that kind of evidence

1975
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:12,800
there is not um photos of alien beings

1976
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,000
no um

1977
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:18,239
but there are fragmentary things that

1978
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:19,120
john mack

1979
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:22,400
was able to latch on to um but

1980
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,229
intention of trying to bring a

1981
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:32,960
scientific rigor to this field

1982
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:37,840
ultimately it was unsatisfying because

1983
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:40,800
the nature of the field defies a

1984
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:42,239
physical

1985
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:45,520
uh proof and that is the nature of the

1986
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:46,320
phenomenon

1987
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:49,120
it's not an aberration that is the one

1988
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,560
of the central features

1989
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:53,040
of the phenomenon that it defies

1990
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:54,239
whenever you think you

1991
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:56,800
you set up a a camera in your bedroom so

1992
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,080
when the beings come in

1993
01:24:01,189 --> 01:24:00,320
the camera will trigger well the camera

1994
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:01,199
doesn't work

1995
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:03,440
it doesn't take the pictures uh this has

1996
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:05,120
happened again and again

1997
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:08,800
um john mack at one point thought he had

1998
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:10,000
a wand

1999
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:13,840
to you know immobilize

2000
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:16,400
people according to what what they

2001
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:17,920
remember afterwards

2002
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:21,280
well you know he couldn't produce so he

2003
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:22,639
thought he had a wine he didn't have a

2004
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:23,360
wand

2005
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,040
uh people think they had they get

2006
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:27,520
implants okay they remember they got an

2007
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:30,719
implant then they sneeze something out

2008
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:32,560
or they go to a

2009
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,080
doctor for surgery and they get

2010
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,320
something taken out and it doesn't turn

2011
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:38,000
out to be what they thought it would be

2012
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:39,840
it's some biological material for their

2013
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:40,880
body in other words

2014
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:43,360
that the proof always falls short in

2015
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,520
some way that's the game

2016
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,840
that is is played in in this thing now

2017
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:49,840
are the aliens so smart

2018
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:52,480
that they can defeat all these you know

2019
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:53,280
um

2020
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,520
scientific procedures that they turn

2021
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,360
yeah they plant an implant in you and

2022
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,679
then they change it into biological

2023
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:01,520
material when the way where the doctors

2024
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:02,480
recover it

2025
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:05,040
i mean i i don't know that that's what

2026
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:06,480
john mack wrestled with

2027
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:10,480
it just defied uh really convincing

2028
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:10,960
proof

2029
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:13,120
but we can talk later on about the

2030
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,080
things that

2031
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,360
he took to be um evidentiary

2032
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:19,520
which which are interesting so it's not

2033
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:21,280
nothing there is something

2034
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,960
but it's subtle it was it always has

2035
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:27,040
been as soon as you get

2036
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:30,400
close the line gets moved

2037
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:33,840
i mean every single time uh right now

2038
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:35,760
today in history

2039
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:38,480
we're as close as we have ever been to

2040
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:39,360
some solid

2041
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:42,480
and real answers but i'm not so sure

2042
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:44,080
if we're even going to cross the line

2043
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,600
now in 2021

2044
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,760
is it going to get moved once again

2045
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:49,199
right in front of us and we have to wait

2046
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:51,440
until 2022.

2047
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,320
now that is that is a central feature of

2048
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:56,080
this phenomenon there's a trickster

2049
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:57,679
element to it

2050
01:26:01,750 --> 01:26:00,239
uh that makes it very hard to focus on

2051
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,760
that's what makes people think that it's

2052
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:03,120
not real at all

2053
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:06,480
now we now know uh that

2054
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:09,280
ufos are real okay that's the big

2055
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:11,360
breakthrough of the last few years

2056
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:14,320
that the navy videos and the radar and

2057
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:14,719
the

2058
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,679
you know uh eyewitness accounts by

2059
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:19,520
highly trained pilots

2060
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:22,880
uh now enable us to say i think without

2061
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:25,840
really fear of serious contradiction

2062
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:26,239
that

2063
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:28,800
these objects exist physically they are

2064
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:29,280
real

2065
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:31,679
they're not you know like carl jung said

2066
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:33,760
archetypes they're not or not only

2067
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:34,719
archetypes

2068
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:38,639
they're not um reflections of lights on

2069
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,760
the desert floor

2070
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:42,239
they're not insects on the windshield

2071
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:43,199
they're not

2072
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:44,560
you know all the things that people

2073
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:46,960
thought for so long you know

2074
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:50,080
illusions delusions they're real but we

2075
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,760
don't know beyond that what they are

2076
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,520
i mean do they where do they come from

2077
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:54,880
who's behind the wheel

2078
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:57,120
why are they here how do they go

2079
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,000
underwater

2080
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:00,480
and in the sky or how do they you know

2081
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:02,960
perform aerodynamically in

2082
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:05,199
such astounding ways none of that stuff

2083
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:06,400
do we know

2084
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:09,040
but the one thing we do know which is

2085
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:09,600
what

2086
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:12,800
more than we knew a few years ago uh is

2087
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:13,120
that

2088
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,159
they are real

2089
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,719
in our reality and they are they are

2090
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:20,159
some object

2091
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,560
that we don't understand now that that's

2092
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:24,000
a breakthrough

2093
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,040
uh one night i needed

2094
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,840
you to come out with us i i need you to

2095
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:31,120
just come out with us

2096
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,239
one night ralph and just hang out with

2097
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:35,840
some night vision

2098
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:37,840
and i can guarantee you're going to see

2099
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,280
something

2100
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:41,280
you're going to be speechless you're

2101
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,400
going to be speechless

2102
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:44,639
i was with i'm going to share this story

2103
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:46,000
that this audience has heard

2104
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:48,080
a million times but i'm going to share

2105
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,320
it with you in the last 60 seconds

2106
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,480
um i'm up in washington i've got about

2107
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,080
20 oh i've got

2108
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:56,880
200 people with me but at this moment

2109
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,719
about 30 people

2110
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:00,960
and we're facing this mountain that is

2111
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:02,639
14 miles away

2112
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:06,239
now ralph this is what

2113
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,960
happens okay middle of the day three

2114
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:10,480
o'clock in the afternoon

2115
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:13,679
cloudless sky sun beautiful

2116
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:15,760
right in the middle of the summer i'm

2117
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,120
looking at the mountain

2118
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:19,199
looking at the birds with some

2119
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,880
binoculars

2120
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:22,880
and at that moment from the peak of the

2121
01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:25,120
mountain behind the mountain

2122
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:28,760
pops up it's 14 miles away

2123
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:31,760
approximately a 500

2124
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:36,159
foot tall spinning beer can

2125
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,440
it's like this right and it's black

2126
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,440
it's kind of chrome on the top silver on

2127
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:43,520
the bottom silver here with this round

2128
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:44,560
circle

2129
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:48,159
it's ginormous and i'm looking and i

2130
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:51,280
freak i got a video of it i'll i'll send

2131
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,560
it to you

2132
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:55,440
anyway we're yelling i'm screaming and

2133
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,960
it's spinning

2134
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,199
and i go back to the but i'm yelling

2135
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:00,960
video video pictures

2136
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:04,239
and i get back and as i'm hearing

2137
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:05,840
everybody talk about it and i see with

2138
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:07,360
my naked eye now i'm back on the

2139
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,800
binoculars

2140
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:11,520
it's gone now i thought it was going to

2141
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:12,560
be out there for an

2142
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:15,040
hour going across the blue sky it was

2143
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:16,639
moving slow

2144
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:21,280
and i hear somebody say it phased out

2145
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,400
and i look and it's gone it's just gone

2146
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,520
yeah now i don't know

2147
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:29,520
what that was i don't know if it's us

2148
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:31,040
them whatever i

2149
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,360
that i don't know i only know what i saw

2150
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:37,280
right and and there you go that's what

2151
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:38,800
we're left with that's what we're left

2152
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,199
with

2153
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:41,520
i can't explain it this is why people

2154
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:43,120
distrust the government because when the

2155
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,320
government

2156
01:29:47,340 --> 01:29:46,239
tells people like you oh you saw the

2157
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,350
planet venus

2158
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,679
[Laughter]

2159
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:51,679
it was the craziest thing and it was it

2160
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:53,840
was tall it wasn't a saucer

2161
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:56,800
ralph you know it wasn't it wasn't a

2162
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:57,520
glowing

2163
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,800
it was yeah it was the strangest thing

2164
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:02,080
let's take our break right here our

2165
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:04,080
guest tonight and

2166
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:07,440
all kinds of things nuts i love it i

2167
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:08,719
love it our guest tonight ralph

2168
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:09,600
blumenthal

2169
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:11,199
we're talking about his new book the

2170
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,440
believer alien encounters hard science

2171
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:15,199
and the passion of john mack this is

2172
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:16,800
fade to block stay with us we'll be

2173
01:30:22,610 --> 01:30:36,550
[Music]

2174
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:39,669
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2175
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,800
you're listening to fade to black

2176
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,639
always on the edge of the hottest

2177
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:45,840
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[Applause]

2179
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:04,629
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2180
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:06,709
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2181
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2182
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,800
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2185
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2186
01:31:21,310 --> 01:31:20,800
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2209
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from being with all of us

2210
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2211
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2212
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2213
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headed do you wonder about the food

2214
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supply

2215
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chain could be disastrous

2216
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and they usually occur with little

2217
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:35,920
warning that's why the smartest thing

2218
01:32:40,149 --> 01:32:36,960
you can do today

2219
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is to stockpile emergency food water

2220
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2221
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2228
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2231
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ralph blumenthal now um uh ralph uh

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a couple of things uh that i want to get

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to

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uh right away which is uh

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john mack's death 2004

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uh he's in london um you can correct me

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01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:28,000
if i'm wrong on some of these facts but

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i think he was out there doing a lecture

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uh te lawrence

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steps into the street drunk driver and

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01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:35,840
he's killed

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01:36:41,109 --> 01:36:38,880
uh it's always been a

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01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:41,119
a conversation in the ufo community

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01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:42,000
about how that

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01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:46,239
happened did you ever find it suspicious

2308
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:49,280
uh initially yeah because i uh

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01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,159
the story is i i picked up a book of his

2310
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,480
that's how i got interested in his story

2311
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:56,159
and i wanna i thought it was interesting

2312
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,199
that a harvard psychiatrist was uh

2313
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,199
you know interested in alien abduction

2314
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:03,360
and i thought i'd interview him and i i

2315
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:05,679
had no idea how famous he already was

2316
01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:07,520
i was in texas at the time for the new

2317
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:09,119
york times so i thought i'd give him a

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01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:09,600
call

2319
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:11,520
and you know interview him and then i

2320
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:13,040
pick up the paper and find out he's been

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01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:14,159
run over

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01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:16,800
so uh you know a lot of people instantly

2323
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:17,520
thought it was

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01:37:22,070 --> 01:37:20,080
some kind of an assassination because he

2325
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:22,080
was kind of notorious at that point

2326
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,360
in in some circles um but

2327
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:27,520
i i put that to rest in my research

2328
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:29,600
because i i had access to the

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01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:32,480
uh london police files and i know

2330
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:34,480
exactly who ran him over

2331
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:37,119
uh it was a charity worker who had too

2332
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,239
much to drink

2333
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:40,960
uh his whole day had been documented he

2334
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:43,119
did not know john mack at all

2335
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:45,520
uh mack was tired he came out of the

2336
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:46,880
underground station

2337
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:49,520
what we call the subway at 11 30 at

2338
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:50,719
night

2339
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,239
um he uh he had some health problems

2340
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,320
already he was tired he had trouble

2341
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:58,480
seeing his gla he you know needed

2342
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,520
glasses

2343
01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:00,800
a lot of things were going on with him

2344
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:02,560
plus he was getting more and more

2345
01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:05,760
interested in life after death so

2346
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:08,320
on some level um he was looking forward

2347
01:38:12,149 --> 01:38:10,159
to a new chapter i don't want to say he

2348
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:12,159
committed suicide because that would be

2349
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:15,199
an overstatement but he was open to some

2350
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:17,199
new experience

2351
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:20,239
um but he did not intend to die

2352
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,920
anyway he stepped in front of this car

2353
01:38:24,550 --> 01:38:23,440
looking the wrong way because he was a

2354
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:24,560
yank in london

2355
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:27,920
and that's what we do um and it was just

2356
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:30,159
bad timing this guy was speeding along

2357
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:33,520
not even that fast but it was night and

2358
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:35,600
and ran him over and he died pretty

2359
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:37,040
quickly now

2360
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:40,239
um there were a lot of stories one

2361
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:42,880
common story and it's kind of a myth is

2362
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:44,000
that another john

2363
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:47,119
mack was run over about the same time

2364
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:50,239
somewhere else and that shows that john

2365
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:51,119
max would

2366
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,520
that a john mack was being targeted now

2367
01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:57,679
i never found any proof of that story

2368
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:59,199
and i can tell you that

2369
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,040
the police files make it absolutely

2370
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:03,199
clear that he was not picked out

2371
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:06,239
uh for any reason now what i do

2372
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:08,159
say in my book which i i found very

2373
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:09,440
interesting

2374
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:11,760
is that one of his psychiatric

2375
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:13,040
colleagues happened to be

2376
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:17,119
in saint petersburg russia for a lecture

2377
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:20,719
and um he was driving in a taxi from the

2378
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:22,639
airport to his hotel with his wife and

2379
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:24,000
he looked out the window

2380
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,639
and he sees somebody getting run over

2381
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:28,639
and it turned out when he got back

2382
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:30,480
and heard you know heard the story about

2383
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,000
john mack that

2384
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:34,320
what he saw in st petersburg happened

2385
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:36,159
about the same time that john mack was

2386
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,520
run over in london

2387
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:39,520
now that is what you know we call a

2388
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:40,880
synchronicity

2389
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:42,960
uh one of these strange things that

2390
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:45,280
people write off as coincidences that

2391
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:46,560
may or may not be

2392
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:50,080
connected in the cosmos somehow um

2393
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:52,880
for some reason um and he found it very

2394
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:54,080
spooky and creepy

2395
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:57,360
this guy who i interviewed um but other

2396
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,080
than that

2397
01:40:01,510 --> 01:40:00,320
uh to answer your question no it was not

2398
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:01,520
a conspiracy

2399
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:04,239
now uh one of the things that uh john

2400
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:05,600
and bud hopkins

2401
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:09,520
spoke about a lot is that uh

2402
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:12,639
we are talking about a large number

2403
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,440
potentially

2404
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:15,119
millions of people that have gone

2405
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:17,920
through an abduction experience

2406
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,239
uh there are you know hundreds of

2407
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:22,080
thousands of reports about this

2408
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:26,000
not all of them are crazy

2409
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:29,440
but now we have the ufo uap

2410
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:32,000
subject out into the mass media right

2411
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:32,960
now

2412
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,480
is this a point in history where

2413
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,320
we're going to start to hear more about

2414
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:40,400
the abduction phenomenon people coming

2415
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:41,760
forward

2416
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:44,480
wow well first of all let me be very

2417
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:46,239
clear that our reporting in the new york

2418
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:48,560
times had nothing to do with aliens

2419
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:51,600
and in order to you know have our

2420
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:55,600
ufo stories uh keep their credibility

2421
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:57,520
uh we had to make absolutely sure we

2422
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:58,719
were talking about

2423
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:02,159
objects that were detected by the navy

2424
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:05,840
um on radar and thermal imaging cameras

2425
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,080
and you know all kinds of other devices

2426
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:09,840
and and witnessed by pilots

2427
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:13,440
in the sky and sometimes underwater

2428
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:16,719
not aliens okay we're not speculating

2429
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:18,320
who was driving these

2430
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,440
uh you know objects uh

2431
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:23,600
were people getting abducted that was

2432
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:25,520
not part of the times reporting nor

2433
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:27,280
should it be or should it have been

2434
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:28,400
because it's

2435
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:30,960
far too speculative to be certainly in

2436
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:33,040
the same bucket or even to be reported

2437
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:33,679
on it all

2438
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:36,320
except as anecdotal experiences of

2439
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:37,440
people

2440
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:40,480
now um will we see more

2441
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,000
stories like that i don't know there is

2442
01:41:45,910 --> 01:41:43,760
definitely an association

2443
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:45,920
john mack found an association between

2444
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:47,119
ufos

2445
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:50,320
and um alien abduction or alien

2446
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:53,920
encounters what people reported as

2447
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:55,119
they'll encounters if you

2448
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:57,199
if you want to keep that distance from

2449
01:42:02,390 --> 01:41:59,199
the subject

2450
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,400
definitely there's an association but uh

2451
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,400
the the pentagon is not investigating

2452
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:06,239
alien beings

2453
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:10,719
investigate

2454
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:13,040
uh that that anybody's gotten a hold of

2455
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:15,119
that that is credible

2456
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:17,840
and none of our reporting goes that way

2457
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:18,800
when you ask

2458
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:21,600
people in the pentagon um where do you

2459
01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:23,520
think these things come from they say

2460
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:26,239
we do not speculate we are just trying

2461
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:28,000
to figure out what accounts for their

2462
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:30,560
aerodynamics you know what they are

2463
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:32,639
if gather as much information as

2464
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:33,679
possible

2465
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,040
you know that we can about their

2466
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,600
aerodynamics their capabilities you know

2467
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,520
whatever

2468
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:43,440
data we can gather but we are not

2469
01:42:48,149 --> 01:42:45,280
speculating and we respect that

2470
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:48,159
so that's the first thing you got to say

2471
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:48,480
that

2472
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:51,760
i i don't want to mix up the two things

2473
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:55,520
um now there have always been

2474
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:58,560
a large number of so-called experiencers

2475
01:43:01,990 --> 01:43:00,639
or abductees who have come forward

2476
01:43:04,149 --> 01:43:02,000
despite the

2477
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:04,159
stigma they are meeting in groups

2478
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:05,840
they're talking to each other

2479
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,400
they are seeking counseling from you

2480
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:10,320
know psychiatrists like john mack

2481
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:14,639
as a group therapy groups with each

2482
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:15,920
other where they talk about their

2483
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:17,440
experiences like aaa

2484
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:20,639
people or you know all kinds of people

2485
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:21,119
with

2486
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:23,360
uh who are troubled by something that

2487
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,080
happened to them in this case

2488
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:28,320
something that they think they are

2489
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:29,679
convinced was real

2490
01:43:34,629 --> 01:43:32,239
but they have no real evidence of that

2491
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,639
and yet

2492
01:43:38,629 --> 01:43:36,880
it's it's a very common experience

2493
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:38,639
enough for these people to gather and

2494
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:39,840
talk about it

2495
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:42,159
so i don't know whether we'll see more

2496
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:43,600
of these people because there's already

2497
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:44,320
a lot of them

2498
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:48,000
right the uh did you see the

2499
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:52,080
tv show by the way people of earth uh i

2500
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:53,040
don't think i did i

2501
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:55,280
the name is familiar to me but how can

2502
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:59,040
you write a book about john mack

2503
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,679
and not see people of earth okay take

2504
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:03,520
out your pen ralph i want

2505
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,760
i'm telling i'm giving ralph blumenthal

2506
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:07,280
advice

2507
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:11,199
people of earth it's a comedy series

2508
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:14,080
um uh i think conan o'brien was the

2509
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:16,000
executive producer and his company was

2510
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:16,960
behind it

2511
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:22,149
it's john mack it's john mack and bud

2512
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,280
hopkins

2513
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:25,600
and uh one of these groups that gets

2514
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:27,520
together and talks about their abduction

2515
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:29,119
experiences

2516
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:32,159
it's it's it's hilarious it's uh

2517
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:34,000
you know when it's too close to the mark

2518
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:36,080
actually um you know

2519
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:37,679
it sounds funny you talk about it but

2520
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:39,679
it's not funny these people oh no that's

2521
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:41,679
the point about this whole

2522
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:44,239
about this where you're not allowed to

2523
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:44,719
joke

2524
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:48,239
about this very traumatic and uh

2525
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:50,960
um you know these people went through

2526
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:51,679
suffered all

2527
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:55,040
not only the torment of uh you know what

2528
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:58,159
what they went through uh as they

2529
01:45:02,790 --> 01:44:59,520
recount it you know

2530
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:02,800
either consciously or in hypnosis but

2531
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:05,119
remembering remembering it back and then

2532
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:07,119
thinking it could happen again any time

2533
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:08,480
and not knowing

2534
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:10,080
you know what the experience was and

2535
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:11,920
they can't talk to anybody about it

2536
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:14,000
because people think they're crazy

2537
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:17,840
so uh it's it's a it's a real burden

2538
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:21,520
and yet and yet and yet there are

2539
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:24,320
things that john mack found that people

2540
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:24,880
came

2541
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:31,119
had a better appreciation

2542
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:38,629
these beings these telepathic

2543
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:39,840
communications

2544
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:43,040
made them more sensitive to

2545
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:45,199
you know the problems on the planet made

2546
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:46,719
them more loving

2547
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:49,199
to to these beings and to each other and

2548
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:51,360
to the intelligence in the universe

2549
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,480
so there was that aspect of it that bud

2550
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:56,400
hopkins and david jacobs

2551
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:58,480
found less than john mack which is

2552
01:46:01,990 --> 01:45:59,440
interesting

2553
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:02,000
um but john max certainly found it and

2554
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:03,119
wrote about it

2555
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:05,679
now uh david jacobs uh let's stay on the

2556
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:07,199
subject for a second

2557
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:10,480
david jacobs it comes from a more

2558
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:13,760
uh benevolent point of view with uh

2559
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:15,280
these abductions

2560
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:17,679
uh bud hopkins kind of in the middle and

2561
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:19,760
i think that john mack was more on a

2562
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:20,719
benevolent

2563
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:24,400
side of this um where they weren't here

2564
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:25,199
to cause

2565
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:28,000
us harm and these abductions weren't

2566
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:29,520
necessarily

2567
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:33,679
fearful or threatening um but

2568
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:36,480
i mean how do how do we assess that you

2569
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:37,440
know where they

2570
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:41,040
it's like three different points of view

2571
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:44,719
it's uh important not to overstate that

2572
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:46,560
and oversimplify it and

2573
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,760
i do that too as a way of uh you know

2574
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:51,600
describing the differences but

2575
01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:53,280
it's a mistake to do that because i was

2576
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:54,880
just reading again

2577
01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:58,400
through david jacobs books walking among

2578
01:47:03,510 --> 01:46:58,880
us

2579
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:03,520
and you know the alien agenda

2580
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,280
and then bud hopkins books you know

2581
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:10,000
witnessed and missing time and john

2582
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:11,840
mack's books uh

2583
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:14,560
abduction and passport to the cosmos and

2584
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:16,159
when you read the books it's more subtle

2585
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:16,800
than that

2586
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:19,199
their differences are not that clear-cut

2587
01:47:22,149 --> 01:47:19,840
but

2588
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:22,159
for purposes of understanding their

2589
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:22,960
differences

2590
01:47:31,030 --> 01:47:26,880
it is useful to say that john mack

2591
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:31,040
did see this um

2592
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:34,480
element of people getting positive

2593
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:35,520
messages from

2594
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,159
from the beings that that hopkins and

2595
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:40,480
jacob saw less of

2596
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:42,719
and it's true that jacobs particularly

2597
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:44,639
took a very malevolent view of the

2598
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:45,440
beings that

2599
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:49,119
they were here for some reproductive

2600
01:47:52,390 --> 01:47:50,080
purpose apparently

2601
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:52,400
to create a hybrid race that they didn't

2602
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:54,159
care just like uh

2603
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,400
humans dealing with lab animals they

2604
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:58,320
don't care much about how the animals

2605
01:48:02,070 --> 01:47:59,040
feel

2606
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:02,080
and he said that's sort of how the alien

2607
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:03,040
beings treat us

2608
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:04,719
they just subject to us to all these

2609
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:06,239
experiments and

2610
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:08,800
procedures and they don't care about the

2611
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:10,159
trauma they inflict

2612
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:13,280
and and and also jacobs and

2613
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:16,239
um and hopkins were really more

2614
01:48:19,790 --> 01:48:17,440
convinced that

2615
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:19,800
these experiences were happening in

2616
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:22,719
recognizable reality

2617
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,360
um that these were not you know it

2618
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:27,679
wasn't that subtle that it was in some

2619
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:30,880
you know um

2620
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:33,520
intermediate realm you know another

2621
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:35,520
dimension penetrating our dimension

2622
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:37,440
which john mack always said

2623
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:40,800
um they said this was these experiences

2624
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:41,679
were real

2625
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:43,920
uh in some way that we we don't

2626
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:46,000
understand

2627
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:49,119
john max started off that way and veered

2628
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:51,280
more to the idea that

2629
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:52,719
this is happening in some other

2630
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:54,880
dimension it penetrates our dimension

2631
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:58,320
it appears real um it leaves

2632
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,679
fragmentary evidence but it's not the

2633
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:03,760
everyday reality that we recognize so

2634
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,440
that's another difference

2635
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:07,520
but again it's important to remember

2636
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:09,199
that these differences are a little less

2637
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:09,840
subtle

2638
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:11,440
when you read what the what the three of

2639
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:12,880
them actually wrote

2640
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:15,280
because neither of them was wedded to an

2641
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:16,719
absolute position

2642
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:18,960
now there was also there's also an

2643
01:49:23,589 --> 01:49:19,840
approach

2644
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:23,599
to uh the therapy do you feel that

2645
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:26,159
um david jacobs by the way his books

2646
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:27,599
will scare the crap out of you

2647
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:29,920
right i mean that there's no question

2648
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:31,920
about that uh he does great work and

2649
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:33,119
i've i've

2650
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:34,960
you know i've talked to him many times

2651
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:36,159
over the years

2652
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:39,520
but his his stuff will scare you if you

2653
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,400
if you take it literal um but back to a

2654
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:44,480
john mack's approach to this

2655
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:47,920
there is a lot of uh comments in the

2656
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:48,560
community

2657
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:50,560
about how when you're doing this type of

2658
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:51,760
therapy

2659
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:54,080
are you leading all right are you

2660
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:56,080
leading with the questions are you

2661
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:59,040
suggesting these things are you causing

2662
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:01,520
the imagination to go active

2663
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:04,560
or are you not and and john approached

2664
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:04,880
it

2665
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:11,440
uh these memories correct

2666
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:14,080
yes and no i mean he was careful enough

2667
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:15,040
to understand

2668
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:17,040
the perils of hypnosis first of all he

2669
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:19,280
was not a very

2670
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:22,320
uh enthusiastic convert to hypnosis he

2671
01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:23,440
had studied it

2672
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:26,560
as a psychiatrist but he always knew it

2673
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:28,239
was something to be handled

2674
01:50:35,310 --> 01:50:32,400
warily hopkins and jacobs discovered it

2675
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:35,320
and wow you know they adopted it more

2676
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:36,960
enthusiastically now

2677
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:39,360
john was more uh he discovered this

2678
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:41,119
holotropic breath work which was a

2679
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:42,880
relaxation technique

2680
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:44,880
that was really short of hypnosis it was

2681
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:46,719
a way of relaxing the body

2682
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:49,280
so that memories could come back to you

2683
01:50:53,109 --> 01:50:50,000
um

2684
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:53,119
but to answer your question uh about uh

2685
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:56,239
creating memories uh that is a big

2686
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:59,119
controversial uh issue with hypnosis and

2687
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:00,800
it has it came up with a

2688
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:04,000
remember the huge scare years ago of the

2689
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:05,440
implanted memories

2690
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:08,480
or the recreated memories depending on

2691
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:10,400
what position you take of the children

2692
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:11,360
who remembered

2693
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:14,639
abuse at the uh mcmartin a school

2694
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:17,840
yeah and uh you know guy two guys were

2695
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:19,599
put away because they

2696
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,360
murdered somebody in the memory of their

2697
01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:25,360
you know children remember that the

2698
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:27,040
father had murdered somebody

2699
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:28,400
and they didn't really have the proof

2700
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:30,320
but the memory was so vivid

2701
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:32,960
by the child who testified that the guy

2702
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:34,880
got convicted and later on

2703
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:37,280
it turned out that the detectives who

2704
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:39,599
interviewed the child may have implanted

2705
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,159
the idea because there was no evidence

2706
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:44,000
and the guy was apparently innocent both

2707
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:45,360
guys anyway

2708
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:49,119
um so it is it is a dangerous area

2709
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:51,360
uh hypnosis if it's not handled properly

2710
01:51:55,750 --> 01:51:52,560
you can lead you

2711
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:55,760
uh john mack always said you can't

2712
01:52:01,589 --> 01:51:59,119
completely plant a foreign uh

2713
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:01,599
completely foreign memory in somebody

2714
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:03,199
who doesn't have it in other words

2715
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:09,430
cannot be made to adopt a completely

2716
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:11,760
absurd memory

2717
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:13,360
you know counter to his or her

2718
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:16,239
experience um

2719
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:19,840
and and and therefore these alien

2720
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:22,719
uh memories or whatever they were were

2721
01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:23,840
basically authentic

2722
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:25,840
is is the way he he found it because

2723
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:27,760
they couldn't have been implanted

2724
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:31,199
not certainly not by him he did get into

2725
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:31,440
a

2726
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:50,000
them

2727
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:52,639
and what he meant was he gives people

2728
01:52:56,830 --> 01:52:53,840
what he tried to

2729
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:56,840
explain was that he gives people the

2730
01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:02,629
to be comfortable comfortable enough to

2731
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:03,920
to recall

2732
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:06,320
things that they actually uh that

2733
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:08,000
happened to them

2734
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:10,080
he didn't mean that he was actually

2735
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:11,040
fabricating

2736
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,719
something with somebody else that they

2737
01:53:16,390 --> 01:53:14,480
agreed to make something up

2738
01:53:19,589 --> 01:53:16,400
or that he was helping them make it up

2739
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:19,599
but it was an unfortunate phrase that

2740
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:22,719
led to some misunderstandings um but

2741
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:24,719
there's no doubt it's a minefield

2742
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:28,320
this whole idea of you know people

2743
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:31,760
don't remember being abducted their mind

2744
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:32,560
is hazy

2745
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:33,920
let's say they don't remember what

2746
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:36,159
happened and then they go into hypnosis

2747
01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:38,239
and suddenly it's clearer and then they

2748
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:40,000
fill in all the details or a lot of the

2749
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:42,560
details like betty and bonnie hill did

2750
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:45,119
um so people are suspicious so women you

2751
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,920
can't remember

2752
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:47,520
and then suddenly you remember all these

2753
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:48,880
things that you you didn't remember

2754
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:51,360
before

2755
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:54,560
and yet a very common feature of the

2756
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:55,199
abduction

2757
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:57,040
experience as related by the

2758
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:58,400
experiencers

2759
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:00,560
is that their memories are clouded this

2760
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:02,880
happens this comes up again and again

2761
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:04,480
and it seems to be a feature of the

2762
01:54:09,910 --> 01:54:06,800
experience

2763
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:09,920
that these beings or whatever happens to

2764
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:11,119
these people

2765
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:14,239
uh their memories are impeded

2766
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,719
in some way or clouded so they don't

2767
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:18,400
have a clear memory and it does come

2768
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:19,119
back to them

2769
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:22,000
under certain circumstances and the you

2770
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:22,480
know

2771
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:26,239
regression therapy etc uh

2772
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:28,480
with extraordinary detail oh we were

2773
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:29,360
talking about uh

2774
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:33,119
synchronicities yeah uh for me

2775
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:36,159
uh i have to bring this up uh

2776
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:39,520
john mack was represented at harvard uh

2777
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,880
at the inquisition if you will uh by

2778
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:44,159
danny sheehan

2779
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:46,960
yeah and and and today danny sheen's

2780
01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:47,920
representing

2781
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:51,440
luella zonda yeah he is

2782
01:54:58,550 --> 01:54:55,520
i talked to him the other day and

2783
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:58,560
he was one of mack starr defense

2784
01:55:03,270 --> 01:55:00,080
attorneys before the harvard

2785
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:03,280
panel he and eric mcleish who had broken

2786
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:04,880
the priests scandal

2787
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:07,280
so mack had excellent representation

2788
01:55:09,830 --> 01:55:08,960
they really held off its feet to the

2789
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:09,840
fire

2790
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:13,520
um and it cost him a lot of money

2791
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:17,599
so he it wasn't painless at all but

2792
01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:20,000
uh he certainly had good representation

2793
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:22,480
and very aggressive representation

2794
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:26,320
but um yeah danny uh sheen has turned up

2795
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:26,960
and now

2796
01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:31,440
uh working for lou strange how the world

2797
01:55:35,589 --> 01:55:34,480
works i'm going to see danny uh this

2798
01:55:39,270 --> 01:55:35,599
week

2799
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:39,280
um i just uh admire him so much

2800
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:41,440
and you know i said this last night to

2801
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:43,920
lou i'm repeating myself but

2802
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:47,599
if i ever get in that water that's hot

2803
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:49,440
danny's the one i'm calling i mean

2804
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:50,880
that's it that's it

2805
01:55:56,470 --> 01:55:54,159
he's an attack dog and he uh

2806
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:56,480
he got mack actually into some hot water

2807
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:57,679
uh by

2808
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:59,599
um you know the harvard inquiry was

2809
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:01,040
supposed to be secret uh

2810
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:03,520
harvard did that in order to i mean it

2811
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:05,599
was a personnel matter basically

2812
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:08,320
and um and and and it suited john's

2813
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:10,080
purpose too because he didn't want it

2814
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:12,080
known that he was under investigation so

2815
01:56:14,310 --> 01:56:13,599
everybody was kind of happy to keep it

2816
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:14,320
quiet

2817
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:17,440
and then then he blew the lid off by

2818
01:56:21,910 --> 01:56:19,599
sending around a notice to the academic

2819
01:56:23,750 --> 01:56:21,920
community hey we need people to testify

2820
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:23,760
for john mack who's being crucified you

2821
01:56:27,830 --> 01:56:24,400
know

2822
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:27,840
so that that blew it up um in a way that

2823
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:29,360
john mack didn't really want

2824
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:31,119
and danny was a little embarrassed by

2825
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:32,639
the whole thing and john had to

2826
01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:36,719
basically dismiss danny as his counsel

2827
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,159
because that was the only way you could

2828
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:40,080
keep credibility with harvard to show

2829
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:40,880
that he

2830
01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:44,320
himself john wasn't behind the leak

2831
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:46,639
because after danny sent around the note

2832
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:47,520
to

2833
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:51,280
the defense of john mack who's being

2834
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:52,880
crucified

2835
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:55,440
the whole thing you know became more

2836
01:56:57,990 --> 01:56:56,000
public not

2837
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:58,000
the whole thing because i have the only

2838
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:00,159
account in my book of

2839
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:02,560
the entire procedure i got all the legal

2840
01:57:06,629 --> 01:57:03,199
papers

2841
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:06,639
and uh the emails and the interviews

2842
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:08,880
uh which harvard had always has to this

2843
01:57:12,550 --> 01:57:10,480
day kept secret

2844
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:12,560
so uh but but some of it did leak

2845
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:14,400
because of that yeah uh

2846
01:57:18,229 --> 01:57:16,960
danny tells a great story about that and

2847
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:18,239
all i have to say is

2848
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:21,599
it was smart it was

2849
01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:25,040
very danny sheehan danny sheehan okay

2850
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:27,920
uh we need to take a quick break and uh

2851
01:57:32,310 --> 01:57:29,280
i want to shift uh

2852
01:57:33,830 --> 01:57:32,320
off of uh john mack if we can i wanted

2853
01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:33,840
to get to some of the evidence

2854
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:36,400
but when we come back i want to talk

2855
01:57:42,629 --> 01:57:38,719
about what's uh happening today

2856
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:42,639
uh with the uap task force the report

2857
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:44,639
um some of the reporting that has been

2858
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:45,840
going on and

2859
01:57:49,030 --> 01:57:48,320
and how the media is dealing with all of

2860
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this

2861
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all right sound good okay let's take our

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the believer alien encounters hard

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[Music]

2973
02:02:57,669 --> 02:02:56,239
welcome back fade to black i am your

2974
02:02:59,990 --> 02:02:57,679
host jimmy church our guest tonight

2975
02:03:04,070 --> 02:03:00,000
ralph blumenthal of the new york times

2976
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:04,080
45 years and what a great conversation

2977
02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:06,000
uh tonight ralph i want to thank you

2978
02:03:12,149 --> 02:03:09,040
uh for all of it but uh

2979
02:03:15,270 --> 02:03:12,159
i kind of look at things like this kane

2980
02:03:15,669 --> 02:03:15,280
and blumenthal blumenthal and kane the

2981
02:03:18,790 --> 02:03:15,679
new

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02:03:20,709 --> 02:03:18,800
woodward and bernstein right who's

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02:03:22,149 --> 02:03:20,719
who do you want to play you in the movie

2984
02:03:23,650 --> 02:03:22,159
i know what's in the works

2985
02:03:26,709 --> 02:03:23,660
i can't play myself

2986
02:03:30,470 --> 02:03:26,719
[Laughter]

2987
02:03:32,870 --> 02:03:30,480
that's a good answer we'll see um

2988
02:03:34,070 --> 02:03:32,880
but uh you know jimmy you raised a good

2989
02:03:36,070 --> 02:03:34,080
question before the break

2990
02:03:37,990 --> 02:03:36,080
about the evidence and i think this is

2991
02:03:41,189 --> 02:03:38,000
really an important part

2992
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:41,199
uh of the story and i spent some time in

2993
02:03:44,390 --> 02:03:42,480
the book uh

2994
02:03:46,629 --> 02:03:44,400
you know going over it what made john

2995
02:03:49,750 --> 02:03:46,639
mack who was a

2996
02:03:53,109 --> 02:03:49,760
very smart guy um

2997
02:03:55,270 --> 02:03:53,119
so convinced that he was on to something

2998
02:03:56,310 --> 02:03:55,280
which he couldn't ultimately prove

2999
02:03:59,109 --> 02:03:56,320
granted

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02:03:59,910 --> 02:03:59,119
um and there's certain things first of

3001
02:04:01,830 --> 02:03:59,920
all

3002
02:04:03,589 --> 02:04:01,840
the stories were consistent that he

3003
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:03,599
heard from people there was a general

3004
02:04:07,830 --> 02:04:05,199
theme running through the mall

3005
02:04:09,750 --> 02:04:07,840
people as i said before saw ufo they

3006
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:09,760
became where these beings they were on

3007
02:04:24,229 --> 02:04:10,000
the

3008
02:04:25,589 --> 02:04:24,239
telepathically

3009
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:25,599
people would ask what do you mean these

3010
02:04:30,149 --> 02:04:27,599
beings spoke perfect english

3011
02:04:31,430 --> 02:04:30,159
no they come i the words just popped

3012
02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:31,440
into my head they would say it was

3013
02:04:35,669 --> 02:04:32,320
telepathic

3014
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:35,679
anyway so the consistency of the stories

3015
02:04:41,109 --> 02:04:38,639
the fact that the stories were told by

3016
02:04:44,069 --> 02:04:41,119
such a broad cross section of people

3017
02:04:45,669 --> 02:04:44,079
professional people psychiatrists law

3018
02:04:48,629 --> 02:04:45,679
enforcement people cops

3019
02:04:51,030 --> 02:04:48,639
you know blue collar people women men

3020
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:51,040
children two years old saying

3021
02:04:57,350 --> 02:04:54,239
little man fly me into the sky you know

3022
02:05:00,950 --> 02:04:57,360
i go in the sky um

3023
02:05:03,030 --> 02:05:00,960
some of the people many of them

3024
02:05:04,069 --> 02:05:03,040
notice scars afterwards that they didn't

3025
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:04,079
notice before

3026
02:05:09,430 --> 02:05:07,599
okay so-called scoop marks as if part of

3027
02:05:13,030 --> 02:05:09,440
the flesh was scooped out for some

3028
02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:13,040
tests um there was an association with

3029
02:05:19,750 --> 02:05:16,480
ufos very frequently they saw ufo before

3030
02:05:21,589 --> 02:05:19,760
they had their experience not always um

3031
02:05:23,189 --> 02:05:21,599
and it was not always at night

3032
02:05:25,510 --> 02:05:23,199
sometimes it was while they were driving

3033
02:05:27,270 --> 02:05:25,520
a car or in my case a snowmobile or

3034
02:05:28,870 --> 02:05:27,280
walking in the woods or

3035
02:05:30,390 --> 02:05:28,880
so it was not just something that

3036
02:05:31,830 --> 02:05:30,400
happened at night you know sleep

3037
02:05:35,350 --> 02:05:31,840
paralysis

3038
02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:35,360
um and uh then two other things

3039
02:05:39,510 --> 02:05:36,800
there were little differences in the

3040
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:39,520
stories so the stories were each all

3041
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:40,239
unique

3042
02:05:44,390 --> 02:05:42,960
as well as con generally consistent so

3043
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:44,400
it's not as if they were all

3044
02:05:48,149 --> 02:05:47,040
reading off some playbook that they all

3045
02:05:50,629 --> 02:05:48,159
agreed to

3046
02:05:51,990 --> 02:05:50,639
you know to subscribe to and this is the

3047
02:05:54,229 --> 02:05:52,000
story we're gonna tell

3048
02:05:56,149 --> 02:05:54,239
uh some of the the details including the

3049
02:05:58,069 --> 02:05:56,159
instrumentation on the ships of the

3050
02:05:58,629 --> 02:05:58,079
things that these beings supposedly used

3051
02:06:01,510 --> 02:05:58,639
on the

3052
02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:01,520
the women uh to you know take out their

3053
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:03,520
eggs i mean it just

3054
02:06:06,950 --> 02:06:06,400
such detail that that seems hard to to

3055
02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:06,960
fake

3056
02:06:12,870 --> 02:06:10,960
then the um the effect of the people

3057
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:12,880
and describing the experience afterwards

3058
02:06:16,709 --> 02:06:14,320
they cried and they

3059
02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:16,719
they wept and they cursed and you know

3060
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:18,400
he's a psychiatrist and he's looking at

3061
02:06:22,310 --> 02:06:19,520
these people

3062
02:06:23,990 --> 02:06:22,320
reacting like this remember supposedly

3063
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:24,000
remembering these experiences

3064
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:25,520
he said they're not making it up he says

3065
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:27,199
i'm a psychiatrist i know what

3066
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:29,520
how people act when they're telling a

3067
02:06:32,550 --> 02:06:30,560
story

3068
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:32,560
and finally and perhaps the most

3069
02:06:37,109 --> 02:06:34,400
important thing

3070
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:37,119
is sometimes there were other witnesses

3071
02:06:40,709 --> 02:06:38,320
um

3072
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:40,719
to the extent that other witnesses could

3073
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:41,520
say

3074
02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:43,840
that that one that one person or the

3075
02:06:46,709 --> 02:06:44,560
other

3076
02:06:48,550 --> 02:06:46,719
had a particular reaction when the

3077
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:48,560
beings came in they didn't see the whole

3078
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:49,679
thing because

3079
02:06:55,270 --> 02:06:52,800
often the witnesses were so-called

3080
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:55,280
switched off or immobilized so they they

3081
02:06:59,189 --> 02:06:57,040
were put to sleep or

3082
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:59,199
you know they they couldn't be roused

3083
02:07:02,790 --> 02:07:00,719
but in one case that

3084
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:02,800
that mac talked about that was really

3085
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:05,920
compelling two girls had a sleepover

3086
02:07:10,709 --> 02:07:09,119
you know youngish girls and during the

3087
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:10,719
night one of the parents came down to

3088
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:13,199
check on them and the girls were missing

3089
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:14,960
the mother completely panicked called

3090
02:07:17,430 --> 02:07:16,639
out the police they did a search of the

3091
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:17,440
neighborhood

3092
02:07:22,069 --> 02:07:20,320
no girls a few hours later they turned

3093
02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:22,079
up back in their beds

3094
02:07:26,790 --> 02:07:24,639
and later they remembered seeing a ufo

3095
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:26,800
outside and they recaptured

3096
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:29,360
you know parts of a abduction

3097
02:07:32,709 --> 02:07:30,239
experiences

3098
02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:32,719
so that is an interesting case of a

3099
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:33,280
witness

3100
02:07:36,790 --> 02:07:35,360
a mother seeing that the kids were gone

3101
02:07:39,589 --> 02:07:36,800
when they should have been there

3102
02:07:39,990 --> 02:07:39,599
so all these things put together and all

3103
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:40,000
the

3104
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:44,000
as as i said mental illness

3105
02:07:50,229 --> 02:07:48,159
the delusion publicity seeking

3106
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:50,239
that they had kids two years old didn't

3107
02:07:53,750 --> 02:07:51,280
read books about

3108
02:07:54,950 --> 02:07:53,760
abductions so they couldn't be reciting

3109
02:07:56,950 --> 02:07:54,960
that story

3110
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:56,960
so all that made him think that

3111
02:07:59,589 --> 02:07:58,400
something had happened to these people

3112
02:08:02,229 --> 02:07:59,599
that he couldn't explain

3113
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:02,239
so that was the the evidence that he was

3114
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:03,360
able to

3115
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:07,119
uh to lay out if he was with us today

3116
02:08:10,950 --> 02:08:08,800
and i'm not so sure that he would tell

3117
02:08:13,510 --> 02:08:10,960
us but i would certainly ask

3118
02:08:14,790 --> 02:08:13,520
what makes you know well yeah i know

3119
02:08:19,669 --> 02:08:14,800
right

3120
02:08:24,709 --> 02:08:19,679
um is this with all of the casework

3121
02:08:26,950 --> 02:08:24,719
i know that he found out something

3122
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:26,960
something that connected everything that

3123
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:28,560
he would never mention

3124
02:08:34,229 --> 02:08:32,239
would never verbalize but he needed to

3125
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:34,239
hear that from casey there was

3126
02:08:38,069 --> 02:08:36,639
some little you know some little germ in

3127
02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:38,079
a petri dish

3128
02:08:42,390 --> 02:08:40,880
that was there that he knew about that

3129
02:08:43,990 --> 02:08:42,400
he didn't share because you can't you've

3130
02:08:46,390 --> 02:08:44,000
got to keep that confidential and you

3131
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:46,400
don't want to contaminate

3132
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:48,560
you know other other people with this

3133
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:50,639
and suddenly everybody's talking about

3134
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:54,480
he knew something and that little thing

3135
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:58,400
caused the passion in in john mack

3136
02:09:02,149 --> 02:09:00,960
and i i don't know if we'll ever know

3137
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:02,159
what that is

3138
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:05,040
uh but he found something ralph he he

3139
02:09:09,589 --> 02:09:06,560
really did

3140
02:09:11,510 --> 02:09:09,599
yeah and he he he was courageous i mean

3141
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:11,520
he had a lot of confidence but hopkins

3142
02:09:16,229 --> 02:09:13,840
thought he had too much confidence

3143
02:09:17,189 --> 02:09:16,239
but hopkins told me before he died that

3144
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:17,199
he thought john

3145
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:19,440
was just bursting with confidence and

3146
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:20,800
that nothing could

3147
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:22,960
uh dissuade him and there was some truth

3148
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:25,119
to that um he was also

3149
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:27,599
kind of naive about talking to the press

3150
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:29,760
he told the press things that

3151
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:31,599
you know nobody should tell the press if

3152
02:09:37,270 --> 02:09:34,079
they don't talk about your drug use

3153
02:09:39,990 --> 02:09:37,280
that you know don't talk about your your

3154
02:09:41,430 --> 02:09:40,000
romantic life if you have girlfriends

3155
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:41,440
you know in addition to your wife

3156
02:09:45,750 --> 02:09:43,520
because he was always searching for that

3157
02:09:48,069 --> 02:09:45,760
missing romantic component in his life

3158
02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:48,079
and he was not sneaky about it

3159
02:09:52,390 --> 02:09:51,040
um his wife knew sally he loved sally

3160
02:09:55,109 --> 02:09:52,400
sally loved him

3161
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:55,119
but yet he felt compelled to seek you

3162
02:09:58,229 --> 02:09:55,760
know

3163
02:09:59,189 --> 02:09:58,239
adventures elsewhere not many but a few

3164
02:10:02,790 --> 02:09:59,199
people

3165
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:02,800
um so uh but he was careless about what

3166
02:10:05,669 --> 02:10:03,760
he said

3167
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:05,679
because he was basically honest that way

3168
02:10:10,950 --> 02:10:08,239
he didn't feel he needed to keep secrets

3169
02:10:12,149 --> 02:10:10,960
so um and this by the way is why i

3170
02:10:14,870 --> 02:10:12,159
consider him a

3171
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:14,880
a really completely well-rounded human

3172
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:15,360
being

3173
02:10:21,589 --> 02:10:18,480
he was not a god he was not a saint

3174
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:21,599
um he was a human like us he had his

3175
02:10:28,149 --> 02:10:23,760
flaws he was too naive too

3176
02:10:30,709 --> 02:10:28,159
passionate perhaps um but he had a an

3177
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:30,719
abundance of courage which enabled him

3178
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:32,880
to buck the harvard establishment

3179
02:10:36,390 --> 02:10:34,960
um when somebody else would have said

3180
02:10:37,990 --> 02:10:36,400
i'm not going to take this on because

3181
02:10:40,149 --> 02:10:38,000
it's just going to get me in trouble

3182
02:10:42,310 --> 02:10:40,159
and who needs it you know i got a big

3183
02:10:46,390 --> 02:10:42,320
career here which he did

3184
02:10:49,589 --> 02:10:46,400
um so anyway um

3185
02:10:50,149 --> 02:10:49,599
a little digression but um he did know

3186
02:10:52,229 --> 02:10:50,159
something

3187
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:52,239
and he had that integrity that's what it

3188
02:10:56,229 --> 02:10:54,000
was it was integrity

3189
02:10:58,069 --> 02:10:56,239
that he would not turn his back on this

3190
02:11:00,550 --> 02:10:58,079
you know other people have found things

3191
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:00,560
in science you know science by the way

3192
02:11:05,910 --> 02:11:04,000
it doesn't um proceed the way a lot of

3193
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:05,920
people think it does by little

3194
02:11:09,990 --> 02:11:08,880
incremental steps somebody search you

3195
02:11:12,310 --> 02:11:10,000
know step by step

3196
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:12,320
by step minuscule then then comes upon

3197
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:13,920
finally the great discovery

3198
02:11:17,109 --> 02:11:16,800
it happens in flashes uh and we don't

3199
02:11:18,629 --> 02:11:17,119
know

3200
02:11:21,109 --> 02:11:18,639
very often where that comes from that

3201
02:11:24,069 --> 02:11:21,119
could be something

3202
02:11:26,069 --> 02:11:24,079
extraterrestrial or cosmic that that

3203
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:26,079
download of information that

3204
02:11:29,270 --> 02:11:27,679
and scientists themselves have said this

3205
02:11:30,790 --> 02:11:29,280
i don't know where i got this idea but i

3206
02:11:35,109 --> 02:11:30,800
suddenly got it

3207
02:11:38,950 --> 02:11:38,470
you know he uh he kept himself open to

3208
02:11:43,669 --> 02:11:38,960
that

3209
02:11:45,430 --> 02:11:43,679
wouldn't subscribe to this

3210
02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:45,440
dead idea of science you just have to

3211
02:11:49,830 --> 02:11:47,440
follow the rules and one day

3212
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:49,840
you know you'll get to your goal uh he

3213
02:11:54,149 --> 02:11:50,880
seized it

3214
02:11:57,830 --> 02:11:54,159
you know by the throat and uh not always

3215
02:12:00,310 --> 02:11:57,840
happily he took that secret with him

3216
02:12:01,589 --> 02:12:00,320
you know he took he knew he knew

3217
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:01,599
something

3218
02:12:05,589 --> 02:12:03,599
and and he took it with him not to say

3219
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:05,599
that like i said i'm not sure that he

3220
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:06,560
would ever

3221
02:12:10,709 --> 02:12:09,280
disclose that to us but there was

3222
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:10,719
something that he was able to piece

3223
02:12:13,510 --> 02:12:11,280
together

3224
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:13,520
uh so much so that you know he changed

3225
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:14,639
his life

3226
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:18,000
and uh he pursued this doggedly

3227
02:12:23,189 --> 02:12:20,560
bud hopkins was the same way too as well

3228
02:12:27,510 --> 02:12:23,199
but hopkins was very assertive

3229
02:12:30,390 --> 02:12:27,520
um very direct and uh

3230
02:12:30,709 --> 02:12:30,400
again he didn't want the um how do i say

3231
02:12:32,550 --> 02:12:30,719
this

3232
02:12:35,350 --> 02:12:32,560
he didn't want the hoaxers he didn't

3233
02:12:37,669 --> 02:12:35,360
want the bsers in this community

3234
02:12:38,390 --> 02:12:37,679
to pollute the work that they were doing

3235
02:12:42,709 --> 02:12:38,400
and

3236
02:12:44,229 --> 02:12:42,719
you know what you said before jimmy

3237
02:12:45,830 --> 02:12:44,239
about that little test

3238
02:12:47,510 --> 02:12:45,840
bud was very good with that he had a

3239
02:12:50,310 --> 02:12:47,520
little test uh

3240
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:50,320
first of all when he one of the secrets

3241
02:12:53,189 --> 02:12:51,760
of this whole thing it's not much of a

3242
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:53,199
secret anymore but

3243
02:12:58,790 --> 02:12:56,800
is that some of these um uh ufos that

3244
02:13:01,990 --> 02:12:58,800
people saw had markings on them

3245
02:13:03,990 --> 02:13:02,000
and they saw that in the ships um that

3246
02:13:04,870 --> 02:13:04,000
they'd be laid out on a table for some

3247
02:13:07,350 --> 02:13:04,880
kind of you know

3248
02:13:09,750 --> 02:13:07,360
medical procedure or what and they would

3249
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:09,760
look up and they would see these letters

3250
02:13:11,589 --> 02:13:11,280
that they didn't quite recognize but

3251
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:11,599
they

3252
02:13:19,109 --> 02:13:17,360
and bud hopkins made a list of them

3253
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:19,119
but he wouldn't show them to anybody

3254
02:13:23,510 --> 02:13:21,280
because he didn't want to contaminate

3255
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:23,520
the field by having people say oh yeah i

3256
02:13:26,709 --> 02:13:25,440
saw that but hopkins showed me that now

3257
02:13:29,270 --> 02:13:26,719
i remember it

3258
02:13:29,990 --> 02:13:29,280
so that was very very closely held these

3259
02:13:31,910 --> 02:13:30,000
symbols

3260
02:13:33,910 --> 02:13:31,920
they've come out in some publications

3261
02:13:37,589 --> 02:13:33,920
but anyway that that is interesting

3262
02:13:39,510 --> 02:13:37,599
yes uh now before we run out of time

3263
02:13:41,350 --> 02:13:39,520
uh everybody can go and get the book and

3264
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:41,360
get it on amazon you can go over to

3265
02:13:44,950 --> 02:13:42,320
ralph's uh

3266
02:13:47,589 --> 02:13:44,960
website and and the links for everything

3267
02:13:50,470 --> 02:13:47,599
are over at jimmychurchradio.com

3268
02:13:51,910 --> 02:13:50,480
uh we've got this uap task force report

3269
02:13:54,950 --> 02:13:51,920
that is due

3270
02:13:58,149 --> 02:13:54,960
um uh presumably uh

3271
02:13:58,629 --> 02:13:58,159
sometime uh this month in june june 24th

3272
02:14:01,910 --> 02:13:58,639
is

3273
02:14:05,270 --> 02:14:01,920
the projected date do you have

3274
02:14:08,470 --> 02:14:05,280
your article already pre-written

3275
02:14:10,310 --> 02:14:08,480
is it all ready to go um no

3276
02:14:11,669 --> 02:14:10,320
i i wouldn't say that first of all the

3277
02:14:13,430 --> 02:14:11,679
times is doing

3278
02:14:14,790 --> 02:14:13,440
look i'm not on the times anymore i'm a

3279
02:14:16,950 --> 02:14:14,800
contributor leslie's

3280
02:14:18,790 --> 02:14:16,960
not was never on the times but we've

3281
02:14:21,430 --> 02:14:18,800
both contributed to the times

3282
02:14:23,189 --> 02:14:21,440
the times has its own people uh also

3283
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:23,199
working on this their regular staff

3284
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:24,880
their pentagon staff

3285
02:14:28,629 --> 02:14:27,119
so you know to the extent of which i

3286
02:14:31,910 --> 02:14:28,639
mean our reporting was

3287
02:14:33,350 --> 02:14:31,920
was early on it was you know um

3288
02:14:35,589 --> 02:14:33,360
invest sort of you might say

3289
02:14:36,790 --> 02:14:35,599
investigative reporting now the stories

3290
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:36,800
become mainstream

3291
02:14:39,990 --> 02:14:38,960
everybody's on it it's very hard to do

3292
02:14:43,270 --> 02:14:40,000
investigative story

3293
02:14:45,589 --> 02:14:43,280
when the the the mob and the pack

3294
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:45,599
are running after the story it's just a

3295
02:14:49,910 --> 02:14:46,560
zoo

3296
02:14:52,229 --> 02:14:49,920
um and it's very hard to especially for

3297
02:14:55,990 --> 02:14:52,239
somebody who's no longer on the paper

3298
02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:56,000
uh to get access to the same source so

3299
02:15:02,229 --> 02:14:59,760
um uh today's times has a story tonight

3300
02:15:03,750 --> 02:15:02,239
tomorrow morning uh some aspects of the

3301
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:03,760
report i didn't write that

3302
02:15:08,950 --> 02:15:06,880
it's the other staff members or so so

3303
02:15:11,589 --> 02:15:08,960
um to answer your question you know i

3304
02:15:13,270 --> 02:15:11,599
i'm not writing the story now i'm

3305
02:15:15,109 --> 02:15:13,280
talking to people getting some idea of

3306
02:15:17,270 --> 02:15:15,119
what might be in the report

3307
02:15:19,189 --> 02:15:17,280
doing some you know basic reporting but

3308
02:15:21,189 --> 02:15:19,199
a lot of people around the story now and

3309
02:15:23,350 --> 02:15:21,199
it makes it very very difficult to chase

3310
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:23,360
whenever a journalist gets into this

3311
02:15:27,510 --> 02:15:24,239
kind of a

3312
02:15:29,589 --> 02:15:27,520
situation this you know mob mentality

3313
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:29,599
it's very hard to break something out

3314
02:15:34,950 --> 02:15:31,679
for yourself do you have a feel

3315
02:15:37,669 --> 02:15:34,960
for things do you have a an opinion or

3316
02:15:41,510 --> 02:15:37,679
an idea or maybe even a theory

3317
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:41,520
on what may or may not be in this report

3318
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:43,440
well you know you hear i hear things i

3319
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:45,520
mean my information is

3320
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:47,360
obviously not firsthand it's always

3321
02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:49,119
based on somebody who's

3322
02:15:52,870 --> 02:15:51,280
you know we have some good sources

3323
02:15:55,189 --> 02:15:52,880
leslie and i have talked to

3324
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:55,199
uh people you know in the government

3325
02:16:01,189 --> 02:15:57,920
with first-hand information and i think

3326
02:16:02,310 --> 02:16:01,199
uh they're wrestling with it it's it's a

3327
02:16:04,390 --> 02:16:02,320
difficult report

3328
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:04,400
uh there's a lot of information

3329
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:05,440
squirreled away

3330
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:07,760
in all kinds of nooks and crannies of

3331
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:08,960
the pentagon

3332
02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:12,480
that's clear this information was

3333
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:16,239
closely held in the first place

3334
02:16:21,189 --> 02:16:19,440
and you needed really high security

3335
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:21,199
clearances to get at it and not

3336
02:16:24,149 --> 02:16:22,800
everybody in the government

3337
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:24,159
you know had just because you were in

3338
02:16:27,350 --> 02:16:26,320
the military didn't mean you could knock

3339
02:16:30,390 --> 02:16:27,360
on any door

3340
02:16:34,150 --> 02:16:30,400
and get answers so only certain people

3341
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:34,160
uh had proper security clearances and

3342
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:40,070
you know to get them to get the proper

3343
02:16:44,309 --> 02:16:41,200
people with the proper

3344
02:16:46,389 --> 02:16:44,319
clearances to the proper information has

3345
02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:46,399
has proved difficulty i'm not difficult

3346
02:16:51,190 --> 02:16:48,800
i'm not you know betraying any secrets

3347
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:51,200
from sources when i say that there's

3348
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:53,519
been some struggle with this report

3349
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:55,519
uh in order to get access to the

3350
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:56,639
information

3351
02:17:03,349 --> 02:17:01,040
um and so uh that's

3352
02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:03,359
you know provided a kind of uncertainty

3353
02:17:05,429 --> 02:17:04,240
about it

3354
02:17:07,270 --> 02:17:05,439
when it'll be it's supposed to be

3355
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:07,280
delivered as you say by you know the end

3356
02:17:09,830 --> 02:17:09,439
of june which would be 180 days since

3357
02:17:13,509 --> 02:17:09,840
the

3358
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:13,519
statute um

3359
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:15,120
what will be in the report how much

3360
02:17:18,070 --> 02:17:17,040
detail what will be public what will be

3361
02:17:19,990 --> 02:17:18,080
classified

3362
02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:20,000
you know it's going to congress by the

3363
02:17:23,830 --> 02:17:21,760
way it doesn't just get presented to the

3364
02:17:27,349 --> 02:17:23,840
american people it's

3365
02:17:30,070 --> 02:17:27,359
by the law it's a report to congress

3366
02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:30,080
so congress then decides i guess it'll

3367
02:17:33,750 --> 02:17:31,280
make it public

3368
02:17:35,509 --> 02:17:33,760
but some of it will be given to congress

3369
02:17:38,709 --> 02:17:35,519
on a classified

3370
02:17:39,669 --> 02:17:38,719
basis so um because there are defense

3371
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:39,679
implications

3372
02:17:44,709 --> 02:17:42,559
uh to this story i mean let me let me

3373
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:44,719
jump in if i can rudely interrupt you

3374
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:47,840
uh uh jan is it pasaki how do you say

3375
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:48,880
her name

3376
02:17:55,750 --> 02:17:52,639
shaky yeah is it sake jan saki i think

3377
02:17:56,230 --> 02:17:55,760
p is pronounced vasaki it's pasaki she

3378
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:56,240
said

3379
02:18:02,549 --> 02:17:59,840
last week that she thought that the

3380
02:18:03,990 --> 02:18:02,559
president would leave it up to the odni

3381
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:04,000
in the dni

3382
02:18:08,870 --> 02:18:06,000
uh to release this to the public and it

3383
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:08,880
wouldn't be a congressional decision

3384
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:11,359
i don't know i i mean when i read the

3385
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:13,280
statute i saw that it was a report

3386
02:18:16,309 --> 02:18:15,599
requested by congress now i might say by

3387
02:18:20,230 --> 02:18:16,319
now

3388
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:20,240
huge deal

3389
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:22,160
that it's got to go right to the public

3390
02:18:25,429 --> 02:18:23,599
i've heard it said that maybe there'll

3391
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:25,439
be hearings you know there'll be a press

3392
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:26,719
conference i mean

3393
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:31,830
it is it's it's more subtle and

3394
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:33,840
difficult than a lot of people have

3395
02:18:39,190 --> 02:18:37,439
made out it's a difficult report because

3396
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:39,200
not everything is going to be put out

3397
02:18:42,389 --> 02:18:40,639
there there are people who are you know

3398
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:42,399
dreaming about disclosure and

3399
02:18:46,150 --> 02:18:44,960
they use that word like magical like oh

3400
02:18:47,750 --> 02:18:46,160
the government is going to we're going

3401
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:47,760
to have disclosure and they're going to

3402
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:48,960
open the books

3403
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:51,120
it doesn't work that way especially the

3404
02:18:54,070 --> 02:18:53,280
government has a long history of hiding

3405
02:18:55,990 --> 02:18:54,080
stuff

3406
02:18:57,990 --> 02:18:56,000
and dissembling so they're not going to

3407
02:19:00,709 --> 02:18:58,000
get over that in a hurry

3408
02:19:01,509 --> 02:19:00,719
not instantly and even though this

3409
02:19:05,830 --> 02:19:01,519
government

3410
02:19:09,349 --> 02:19:05,840
been

3411
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:09,359
much more forthcoming as witnessed you

3412
02:19:13,669 --> 02:19:11,200
know all the reports that have come out

3413
02:19:14,950 --> 02:19:13,679
that the government now is telling you

3414
02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:14,960
know navy

3415
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:18,000
sailors and pilots to report

3416
02:19:21,750 --> 02:19:19,760
incidents which they never did before

3417
02:19:24,870 --> 02:19:21,760
that's a big step forward so

3418
02:19:26,070 --> 02:19:24,880
they are more forthcoming but that

3419
02:19:27,349 --> 02:19:26,080
doesn't mean that everything's going to

3420
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:27,359
be disclosed

3421
02:19:31,190 --> 02:19:30,319
so i you know um the more i hear about

3422
02:19:34,950 --> 02:19:31,200
this

3423
02:19:37,669 --> 02:19:34,960
the more complicated it becomes so um

3424
02:19:39,830 --> 02:19:37,679
i i really don't know how it's going to

3425
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:39,840
end up but we should know shortly

3426
02:19:46,309 --> 02:19:43,920
um you've uh you know uh five decades

3427
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:46,319
in in journalism and reporting in the

3428
02:19:51,270 --> 02:19:48,000
newspaper game

3429
02:19:55,429 --> 02:19:51,280
uh to the to your memory have you

3430
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:55,439
ever do you remember ufos or uaps

3431
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:58,080
ever being mentioned in the white house

3432
02:20:03,030 --> 02:19:59,920
press room

3433
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:03,040
yeah i do oh really oh yeah

3434
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,359
um there was in the 50s

3435
02:20:11,349 --> 02:20:10,000
uh when i was a little boy i don't

3436
02:20:14,950 --> 02:20:11,359
remember this like

3437
02:20:17,510 --> 02:20:14,960
as a reporter but uh there were

3438
02:20:18,150 --> 02:20:17,520
there was a wave of sightings this is

3439
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:18,160
really

3440
02:20:21,349 --> 02:20:20,560
quite extraordinary why it would happen

3441
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:21,359
then

3442
02:20:25,750 --> 02:20:24,479
of all times but there were ufos spotted

3443
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:25,760
over the white house

3444
02:20:30,790 --> 02:20:28,880
over you know washington over la

3445
02:20:32,230 --> 02:20:30,800
there was actually a battle in the sky

3446
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:32,240
over la with you know

3447
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:35,280
uh guns shooting off to try to hit these

3448
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:35,920
things

3449
02:20:39,750 --> 02:20:37,840
but oh when when there was a flap

3450
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:39,760
so-called flap of ufos

3451
02:20:43,270 --> 02:20:42,080
over washington dc in the 50s there was

3452
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:43,280
a press conference called

3453
02:20:46,950 --> 02:20:45,120
for biggest press conferences world war

3454
02:20:48,309 --> 02:20:46,960
ii where generals were

3455
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:48,319
lined up there and they were they were

3456
02:20:51,270 --> 02:20:49,760
trying to calm the public they didn't

3457
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:51,280
give out a lot of information

3458
02:20:54,710 --> 02:20:52,960
they said there's basically nothing to

3459
02:20:57,750 --> 02:20:54,720
it you know these are reflections

3460
02:20:58,790 --> 02:20:57,760
you know it's not no danger but it was

3461
02:21:02,070 --> 02:20:58,800
definitely

3462
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:02,080
interest so yeah they were mentioned and

3463
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:04,000
in the whole history of ufos have been

3464
02:21:09,510 --> 02:21:07,040
periods where this was front page news

3465
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:09,520
nobody knew what they were you know just

3466
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:10,640
like today

3467
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:13,040
but now at least they're acknowledging

3468
02:21:16,950 --> 02:21:14,960
them as physically real

3469
02:21:18,710 --> 02:21:16,960
back then the government was saying all

3470
02:21:21,750 --> 02:21:18,720
kinds of things that weren't that

3471
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:21,760
that weren't true either presumably they

3472
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:23,439
knew they weren't true because

3473
02:21:28,230 --> 02:21:26,800
there was information ample information

3474
02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:28,240
that these things were

3475
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:31,520
were real back then uh but the

3476
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:33,600
government wasn't admitting it they were

3477
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:35,520
you know putting forth all kinds of you

3478
02:21:40,710 --> 02:21:37,920
know strange explanations swamp gas

3479
02:21:41,349 --> 02:21:40,720
and stuff right right well that press

3480
02:21:44,550 --> 02:21:41,359
conference

3481
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:44,560
you're referring to was 1952

3482
02:21:53,190 --> 02:21:49,040
so that was uh 69 70 years ago

3483
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:53,200
but in your career as a a professional

3484
02:21:55,670 --> 02:21:54,800
writer and reporter in the newspaper

3485
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:55,680
game do you

3486
02:22:01,429 --> 02:21:59,840
remember the the white house press room

3487
02:22:03,030 --> 02:22:01,439
ever mentioning ufos i

3488
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:03,040
i went back and researched i couldn't

3489
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:05,040
find anything

3490
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:08,399
it truly uh it's been escalating in

3491
02:22:11,429 --> 02:22:09,920
recent years i guess you could say it

3492
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:11,439
culminated with our

3493
02:22:17,110 --> 02:22:14,960
uh you know december 2017 story

3494
02:22:19,670 --> 02:22:17,120
uh because that revealed for the first

3495
02:22:22,309 --> 02:22:19,680
time that there was a pentagon unit

3496
02:22:24,550 --> 02:22:22,319
uh investigating ufos which had been

3497
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:24,560
going for 10 years then but nobody

3498
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:27,600
nobody knew it wasn't public till lou

3499
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:30,399
elizondo made it public with his

3500
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:31,280
resignation

3501
02:22:35,990 --> 02:22:33,920
and leslie attended that meeting that we

3502
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:36,000
reported on the new york times

3503
02:22:42,389 --> 02:22:39,200
so um to answer your question no um

3504
02:22:44,230 --> 02:22:42,399
i don't remember um

3505
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:44,240
any degree of interest like like this

3506
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:46,640
now now it's like a frenzy i mean you

3507
02:22:49,910 --> 02:22:48,640
can't pick up the paper every any day

3508
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:49,920
now without or the

3509
02:22:54,950 --> 02:22:53,040
tv it's it's it's constant um

3510
02:22:56,870 --> 02:22:54,960
and it's good it's legitimized that it's

3511
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:56,880
it's taken away the ridicule factor

3512
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:58,319
which was the problem

3513
02:23:01,830 --> 02:23:00,800
for many many years that people couldn't

3514
02:23:05,030 --> 02:23:01,840
mention it

3515
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:05,040
um you know governor fife symington

3516
02:23:11,270 --> 02:23:08,240
of uh arizona i believe uh

3517
02:23:13,429 --> 02:23:11,280
he made fun of us sighting and later on

3518
02:23:15,429 --> 02:23:13,439
he apologized for it because he held

3519
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:15,439
people up to ridicule

3520
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:17,600
whereas what he should have said was

3521
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:19,280
yeah he saw something he couldn't

3522
02:23:22,950 --> 02:23:20,160
explain

3523
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:22,960
and that would have been the the honest

3524
02:23:25,670 --> 02:23:24,080
straightforward way

3525
02:23:28,150 --> 02:23:25,680
to deal with the subject but he made a

3526
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:28,160
big joke of it and made people feel

3527
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:29,200
ashamed

3528
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:32,080
who had seen these things so um now

3529
02:23:36,389 --> 02:23:34,319
including his son

3530
02:23:37,670 --> 02:23:36,399
you know his son was part of his uh

3531
02:23:40,469 --> 02:23:37,680
sighting that day

3532
02:23:41,750 --> 02:23:40,479
jimmy carter you know uh that and to

3533
02:23:45,030 --> 02:23:41,760
kill a rabbit

3534
02:23:46,790 --> 02:23:45,040
will haunt him uh he said he was

3535
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:46,800
attacked by a giant rabbit and he also

3536
02:23:50,790 --> 02:23:48,720
he that he saw a ufo and everybody

3537
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:50,800
oh yeah jimmy carr the president who saw

3538
02:23:56,790 --> 02:23:53,520
well turns out he's not the only one

3539
02:23:59,190 --> 02:23:56,800
um so uh i i hope

3540
02:24:01,349 --> 02:23:59,200
that at least we are out of that era

3541
02:24:02,469 --> 02:24:01,359
where anybody who mentions it is

3542
02:24:04,710 --> 02:24:02,479
ridiculed

3543
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:04,720
um there are things there that we don't

3544
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:06,640
understand they are real

3545
02:24:09,990 --> 02:24:08,960
now we know that they have physical

3546
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:10,000
substance

3547
02:24:13,349 --> 02:24:11,680
they're not imaginary we don't know

3548
02:24:14,070 --> 02:24:13,359
anything beyond that where they come

3549
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:14,080
from who's

3550
02:24:18,050 --> 02:24:16,560
running them why they're here what they

3551
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:18,060
want

3552
02:24:21,750 --> 02:24:19,840
[Music]

3553
02:24:24,150 --> 02:24:21,760
but at least we know now that they're

3554
02:24:26,790 --> 02:24:24,160
real if the report

3555
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:26,800
and of course i'm speculating here but

3556
02:24:30,230 --> 02:24:29,280
if the report removes a foreign

3557
02:24:32,710 --> 02:24:30,240
adversary

3558
02:24:33,830 --> 02:24:32,720
like you know china or russia it's not

3559
02:24:36,950 --> 02:24:33,840
them

3560
02:24:40,150 --> 02:24:36,960
it's not us right it's not the united

3561
02:24:43,030 --> 02:24:40,160
states it's not a special access program

3562
02:24:44,469 --> 02:24:43,040
it's it's not if those two elements are

3563
02:24:47,110 --> 02:24:44,479
removed

3564
02:24:47,510 --> 02:24:47,120
there's only a third choice here isn't

3565
02:24:51,110 --> 02:24:47,520
there

3566
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:51,120
right do you do you think it could lean

3567
02:24:57,270 --> 02:24:54,399
that way would there be a mention of

3568
02:24:59,429 --> 02:24:57,280
little green men

3569
02:25:02,070 --> 02:24:59,439
no i don't think they'd be good first of

3570
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:02,080
all they're not green but okay

3571
02:25:05,110 --> 02:25:04,319
but um no i think they're going to stay

3572
02:25:08,309 --> 02:25:05,120
away from that

3573
02:25:11,429 --> 02:25:08,319
uh i think the most they'll say is that

3574
02:25:13,030 --> 02:25:11,439
they're not ours um we don't think that

3575
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:13,040
they're theirs

3576
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:16,240
and uh and what does that leave well

3577
02:25:21,990 --> 02:25:19,680
that leaves a big question mark but um

3578
02:25:22,950 --> 02:25:22,000
we don't know and you know the

3579
02:25:25,270 --> 02:25:22,960
government is very

3580
02:25:27,990 --> 02:25:25,280
happy to say we don't know we don't know

3581
02:25:31,990 --> 02:25:29,910
i think that is as far as they'll go now

3582
02:25:33,590 --> 02:25:32,000
there maybe there's a classified version

3583
02:25:36,230 --> 02:25:33,600
that we won't get to see

3584
02:25:37,510 --> 02:25:36,240
where they'll say there's other evidence

3585
02:25:41,110 --> 02:25:37,520
that's come to light

3586
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:41,120
that points this way or that way um

3587
02:25:48,389 --> 02:25:46,630
that that remains to be seen how much

3588
02:25:49,349 --> 02:25:48,399
you know might be provided to to

3589
02:25:51,910 --> 02:25:49,359
congress

3590
02:25:53,190 --> 02:25:51,920
uh that will not be public but you know

3591
02:25:55,910 --> 02:25:53,200
congress leaks too

3592
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:55,920
and maybe uh look who does this

3593
02:25:59,429 --> 02:25:57,920
information belong to

3594
02:26:02,309 --> 02:25:59,439
you know the government has long been

3595
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:02,319
afraid that oh my god if the american

3596
02:26:05,910 --> 02:26:04,240
people hear that there are

3597
02:26:07,830 --> 02:26:05,920
other beings in the universe there's

3598
02:26:09,670 --> 02:26:07,840
going to be riots

3599
02:26:11,590 --> 02:26:09,680
and i think that the people have been

3600
02:26:13,510 --> 02:26:11,600
ahead of the government all along

3601
02:26:14,790 --> 02:26:13,520
when the government said these things

3602
02:26:16,630 --> 02:26:14,800
are imaginary

3603
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:16,640
you're seeing reflections you're seeing

3604
02:26:22,550 --> 02:26:19,120
dust on the windshield

3605
02:26:24,230 --> 02:26:22,560
the american people know knew then

3606
02:26:26,790 --> 02:26:24,240
especially the people with military

3607
02:26:28,790 --> 02:26:26,800
experience that that was a load

3608
02:26:30,550 --> 02:26:28,800
and you can't tell a pilot who served in

3609
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:30,560
world war ii that he was he was watching

3610
02:26:34,230 --> 02:26:31,680
the planet venus

3611
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:34,240
when he was looking at a craft 50 feet

3612
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:35,760
away with windows

3613
02:26:40,230 --> 02:26:38,720
flashing red and you know green lights

3614
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:40,240
so that's ridiculous

3615
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:43,840
and people knew that was ridiculous and

3616
02:26:49,030 --> 02:26:46,880
um to hear again and again that

3617
02:26:50,070 --> 02:26:49,040
you know they were imagining things or

3618
02:26:54,230 --> 02:26:50,080
that

3619
02:26:55,830 --> 02:26:54,240
was swamp gas or all the ridiculous

3620
02:26:56,309 --> 02:26:55,840
explanations that the government pulled

3621
02:26:58,070 --> 02:26:56,319
out

3622
02:27:00,150 --> 02:26:58,080
over the years and you know after blue

3623
02:27:03,349 --> 02:27:00,160
book it was still 700

3624
02:27:05,670 --> 02:27:03,359
cases unexplained but that got swept

3625
02:27:07,349 --> 02:27:05,680
under the rug they said you know we're

3626
02:27:08,950 --> 02:27:07,359
out of the ufo business uh

3627
02:27:10,389 --> 02:27:08,960
there's nothing left to see here folks

3628
02:27:13,750 --> 02:27:10,399
just move on

3629
02:27:16,630 --> 02:27:13,760
um i mean that was shameful

3630
02:27:18,630 --> 02:27:16,640
um and you know the condon report and

3631
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:18,640
the robertson report and the whole

3632
02:27:23,990 --> 02:27:21,760
list of reports that really took uh the

3633
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:24,000
american people down the wrong path

3634
02:27:27,510 --> 02:27:26,160
um because they were afraid to admit

3635
02:27:29,590 --> 02:27:27,520
there was something they didn't know

3636
02:27:31,349 --> 02:27:29,600
i didn't understand because they thought

3637
02:27:34,070 --> 02:27:31,359
americans would panic

3638
02:27:34,469 --> 02:27:34,080
well you know we're smarter than that

3639
02:27:37,110 --> 02:27:34,479
and

3640
02:27:38,950 --> 02:27:37,120
uh i mean the government has a right to

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02:27:39,670 --> 02:27:38,960
withhold certain information defense

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02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:39,680
information

3643
02:27:43,270 --> 02:27:41,600
everybody understands that if it's

3644
02:27:45,429 --> 02:27:43,280
useful to an adversary

3645
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:45,439
specific information yeah you know

3646
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:48,000
certain not everything has to be public

3647
02:27:54,469 --> 02:27:51,600
but things like

3648
02:27:56,389 --> 02:27:54,479
ufos that everybody can see that a whole

3649
02:27:58,230 --> 02:27:56,399
city can see

3650
02:28:00,469 --> 02:27:58,240
and then to hear from the government

3651
02:28:03,510 --> 02:28:00,479
that you know they didn't see it

3652
02:28:05,030 --> 02:28:03,520
well that creates the distrust i mean uh

3653
02:28:06,790 --> 02:28:05,040
you know how you're going to believe

3654
02:28:09,349 --> 02:28:06,800
anything they say well

3655
02:28:11,429 --> 02:28:09,359
and uh and to your point you know rand

3656
02:28:12,389 --> 02:28:11,439
corporation in the condom report and

3657
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:12,399
others

3658
02:28:17,590 --> 02:28:15,840
uh that that talked about the

3659
02:28:19,750 --> 02:28:17,600
anarchy in the streets and the collapse

3660
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:19,760
of religions and wall street

3661
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:23,200
after december 2017 none of that

3662
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:24,319
happened

3663
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:26,560
right the cat is out of the bag and as

3664
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:27,840
far as i know

3665
02:28:31,270 --> 02:28:29,760
ralph i don't think anybody jumped off

3666
02:28:34,710 --> 02:28:31,280
of any buildings

3667
02:28:36,309 --> 02:28:34,720
no um i think you're right and i think

3668
02:28:37,750 --> 02:28:36,319
in this case as i said the people have

3669
02:28:39,349 --> 02:28:37,760
been ahead of the government

3670
02:28:41,429 --> 02:28:39,359
and they're people in the government who

3671
02:28:42,870 --> 02:28:41,439
are just you know thinking that oh we

3672
02:28:44,870 --> 02:28:42,880
can't tell the american people they're

3673
02:28:46,469 --> 02:28:44,880
true they're too fragile

3674
02:28:48,309 --> 02:28:46,479
you know they're too sensitive they

3675
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:48,319
won't be able to handle this

3676
02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:50,240
and the people have been brought up

3677
02:28:52,389 --> 02:28:52,000
first of all the people have seen these

3678
02:28:54,630 --> 02:28:52,399
things

3679
02:28:56,309 --> 02:28:54,640
if you did a poll on how many i mean you

3680
02:28:57,990 --> 02:28:56,319
could never do a good poll that's one of

3681
02:28:59,590 --> 02:28:58,000
the problems in this field the poll

3682
02:29:01,590 --> 02:28:59,600
the polling is not good because the

3683
02:29:04,710 --> 02:29:01,600
subject has so much stigma

3684
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:04,720
um but you know bud hopkins uh tried to

3685
02:29:10,630 --> 02:29:06,000
do a poll

3686
02:29:12,070 --> 02:29:10,640
with robert bigelow uh back in 1992

3687
02:29:14,150 --> 02:29:12,080
of how many people might have been

3688
02:29:15,990 --> 02:29:14,160
abducted and they it got into a huge

3689
02:29:17,590 --> 02:29:16,000
mess because they couldn't ask have you

3690
02:29:18,870 --> 02:29:17,600
ever been abducted because people

3691
02:29:21,349 --> 02:29:18,880
wouldn't answer

3692
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:21,359
so they had to create these threshold

3693
02:29:24,710 --> 02:29:22,880
questions have you ever woken up with

3694
02:29:26,630 --> 02:29:24,720
lights in there have you ever felt

3695
02:29:27,990 --> 02:29:26,640
you were flying have you ever felt this

3696
02:29:31,110 --> 02:29:28,000
have you ever felt that

3697
02:29:33,750 --> 02:29:31,120
and then from that they they um

3698
02:29:35,429 --> 02:29:33,760
construed a figure of four million maybe

3699
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:35,439
for 3.7 million

3700
02:29:38,710 --> 02:29:37,680
americans have been abducted well people

3701
02:29:42,469 --> 02:29:38,720
didn't accept that

3702
02:29:45,910 --> 02:29:42,479
they said well that's ridiculous um

3703
02:29:48,230 --> 02:29:45,920
so but the fact is that

3704
02:29:49,429 --> 02:29:48,240
a lot of people have had experiences

3705
02:29:51,750 --> 02:29:49,439
they can't explain

3706
02:29:52,870 --> 02:29:51,760
whether it's ghosts or bigfoot or loch

3707
02:29:54,870 --> 02:29:52,880
ness monster

3708
02:29:56,550 --> 02:29:54,880
or crop circles or near-death

3709
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:56,560
experiences they've had these

3710
02:30:00,710 --> 02:29:58,720
experiences they know they've had them

3711
02:30:02,830 --> 02:30:00,720
they can't explain them a lot of people

3712
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:02,840
have seen ufos

3713
02:30:07,750 --> 02:30:06,720
okay a good number of people have had

3714
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:07,760
abduction type

3715
02:30:12,150 --> 02:30:10,960
experiences so you can't tell all these

3716
02:30:14,070 --> 02:30:12,160
people

3717
02:30:15,590 --> 02:30:14,080
that they didn't have this that it

3718
02:30:17,030 --> 02:30:15,600
didn't happen

3719
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:17,040
so you got to come up with something

3720
02:30:21,670 --> 02:30:19,280
better than that and now i think

3721
02:30:22,469 --> 02:30:21,680
finally we're heading in that direction

3722
02:30:24,550 --> 02:30:22,479
anyway

3723
02:30:25,990 --> 02:30:24,560
thank you so much ralph i i was thinking

3724
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:26,000
dustin hoffman

3725
02:30:32,309 --> 02:30:30,240
maybe but he's already done it

3726
02:30:33,270 --> 02:30:32,319
ralph thank you so much it's going to be

3727
02:30:35,429 --> 02:30:33,280
a great month

3728
02:30:36,790 --> 02:30:35,439
i look forward to uh our next

3729
02:30:39,429 --> 02:30:36,800
conversation

3730
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:39,439
and uh now go enjoy uh new york city

3731
02:30:42,950 --> 02:30:41,120
thank you so much my friend

3732
02:30:44,630 --> 02:30:42,960
thanks jimmy a real pleasure great

3733
02:30:46,950 --> 02:30:44,640
conversation thank you so much ralph

3734
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:46,960
enjoy the rest of your night thank you

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ralph blumenthal

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and again follow ralph on twitter at

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to take a quick break i'm going to come

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[Music]

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02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:07,920
welcome back fade to black i am your

3845
02:36:11,750 --> 02:36:09,040
host jimmy church what a great

3846
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:11,760
conversation ralph blumenthal

3847
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:15,120
what a great guy uh seriously

3848
02:36:19,750 --> 02:36:17,920
great writer and investigative reporter

3849
02:36:21,670 --> 02:36:19,760
and uh yeah man a little intimidated

3850
02:36:25,190 --> 02:36:21,680
because

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yeah you know it's so learned

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and it is just me but what a great

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conversation and uh thank you so much

3854
02:36:33,030 --> 02:36:30,240
ralph

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02:36:34,389 --> 02:36:33,040
the book is an amazing read and the

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links for everything are

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over at jimmychurchradio.com john mack

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believer this is it this is the last

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uh run of phone calls uh

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for 10 days 11 days maybe even 12.

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today's thursday

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i haven't done the math but uh this is

3863
02:36:54,630 --> 02:36:53,120
it i've got calls lined up let's go

3864
02:36:57,349 --> 02:36:54,640
straight to the phones hi you're live

3865
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:57,359
i'm fade to black who's calling

3866
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:59,520
hi jimmy this is gareth from the woods

3867
02:37:04,389 --> 02:37:00,720
of maine again

3868
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:04,399
oh man gareth how are you man hey how

3869
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are you

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i am fantastic what do you think of that

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conversation

3872
02:37:11,910 --> 02:37:11,120
i gotta be honest jimmy i just got home

3873
02:37:14,870 --> 02:37:11,920
oh man

3874
02:37:16,630 --> 02:37:14,880
gareth gareth gary i know i well i wanna

3875
02:37:19,750 --> 02:37:16,640
i just wanna share this with you

3876
02:37:20,790 --> 02:37:19,760
first of all are you honored to to be on

3877
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air

3878
02:37:26,150 --> 02:37:24,000
i just want to say that uh yeah i'm glad

3879
02:37:27,990 --> 02:37:26,160
you guys get to go to conferences now

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02:37:29,510 --> 02:37:28,000
and do your thing and get back with all

3881
02:37:33,030 --> 02:37:29,520
your friends and chat

3882
02:37:34,150 --> 02:37:33,040
be one um but a little odd experience

3883
02:37:37,030 --> 02:37:34,160
the other night when i got

3884
02:37:38,790 --> 02:37:37,040
home from uh talking to you uh the other

3885
02:37:40,630 --> 02:37:38,800
night and read online about being from

3886
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:40,640
maine in the woods

3887
02:37:43,910 --> 02:37:42,399
and somebody talked about bigfoot and

3888
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:43,920
i've never heard anything in the woods

3889
02:37:49,030 --> 02:37:45,040
kind of

3890
02:37:50,870 --> 02:37:49,040
um but i heard a tree frog

3891
02:37:52,070 --> 02:37:50,880
very loud in the woods what i thought

3892
02:37:55,030 --> 02:37:52,080
was a tree frog

3893
02:37:57,270 --> 02:37:55,040
if you're with me okay um close by and

3894
02:37:59,990 --> 02:37:57,280
then all of a sudden it was uh

3895
02:38:01,349 --> 02:38:00,000
a little further up in the woods and

3896
02:38:03,030 --> 02:38:01,359
then a little further and a little

3897
02:38:05,030 --> 02:38:03,040
further but faster than

3898
02:38:06,150 --> 02:38:05,040
a tree frog could go this just makes

3899
02:38:09,429 --> 02:38:06,160
sense

3900
02:38:11,110 --> 02:38:09,439
um very strange so

3901
02:38:13,349 --> 02:38:11,120
a little experience the other night

3902
02:38:15,030 --> 02:38:13,359
where i just was thrown off because i

3903
02:38:17,429 --> 02:38:15,040
don't think tree frogs i mean i know

3904
02:38:19,190 --> 02:38:17,439
they communicate through the trees but

3905
02:38:21,830 --> 02:38:19,200
when you hear it going further into the

3906
02:38:23,270 --> 02:38:21,840
woods and it's faster than that animal

3907
02:38:25,910 --> 02:38:23,280
could actually move

3908
02:38:27,429 --> 02:38:25,920
very strange so you didn't catch up with

3909
02:38:29,270 --> 02:38:27,439
so you didn't catch up with the tree

3910
02:38:30,710 --> 02:38:29,280
frog

3911
02:38:32,630 --> 02:38:30,720
yeah i don't want to go wandering in the

3912
02:38:34,710 --> 02:38:32,640
woods yeah who does no

3913
02:38:36,150 --> 02:38:34,720
no no not in the middle of the night

3914
02:38:39,510 --> 02:38:36,160
that would freak me out

3915
02:38:41,110 --> 02:38:39,520
um i haven't uh i haven't had a bigfoot

3916
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:41,120
encounter

3917
02:38:48,389 --> 02:38:45,040
i haven't either i have not uh

3918
02:38:51,750 --> 02:38:48,399
i've know people that have um but

3919
02:38:54,630 --> 02:38:51,760
no i haven't as close as i've come is

3920
02:38:56,309 --> 02:38:54,640
looked at a set of footprints and that

3921
02:38:57,750 --> 02:38:56,319
freaked me out that freaked me out

3922
02:38:59,750 --> 02:38:57,760
i'm still on the fence i'm still trying

3923
02:39:01,750 --> 02:38:59,760
to figure out this whole thing yeah

3924
02:39:03,030 --> 02:39:01,760
you know i know that's why when i heard

3925
02:39:04,309 --> 02:39:03,040
that the other night i was like that's a

3926
02:39:06,550 --> 02:39:04,319
weird synchronicity that

3927
02:39:07,990 --> 02:39:06,560
just kind of maybe it's in my mind but

3928
02:39:11,030 --> 02:39:08,000
okay very strange

3929
02:39:14,710 --> 02:39:11,040
yeah i'm ready to uh uh

3930
02:39:16,950 --> 02:39:14,720
at some point i i think i'm ready to

3931
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:16,960
uh go out for a weekend and and go do

3932
02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:19,040
some squatting

3933
02:39:22,389 --> 02:39:21,040
yeah move forward yeah yeah i want to go

3934
02:39:25,349 --> 02:39:22,399
do some squat and i want to

3935
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:25,359
do some squatching i want to head out

3936
02:39:29,030 --> 02:39:25,600
and

3937
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:29,040
you go

3938
02:39:32,230 --> 02:39:30,720
garrett thank you for the phone call my

3939
02:39:35,590 --> 02:39:32,240
friend and uh

3940
02:39:37,670 --> 02:39:35,600
we'll see you when i get back good luck

3941
02:39:38,950 --> 02:39:37,680
love you a lot thank you gareth have a

3942
02:39:42,950 --> 02:39:38,960
great night

3943
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:42,960
and it's time to fade to black

3944
02:39:46,950 --> 02:39:46,000
um yeah squatching got to go out i got

3945
02:39:51,990 --> 02:39:46,960
to go out and do it

3946
02:39:54,309 --> 02:39:52,000
uh soon soon it won't be in june

3947
02:39:55,990 --> 02:39:54,319
though but uh it's gonna be soon let's

3948
02:39:58,230 --> 02:39:56,000
see who's up next hi you're live on fade

3949
02:40:00,309 --> 02:39:58,240
to block who's calling

3950
02:40:02,550 --> 02:40:00,319
hey it's paul hey paul where are you

3951
02:40:07,030 --> 02:40:02,560
calling from

3952
02:40:12,469 --> 02:40:07,040
odessa texas hey hi how you doing man

3953
02:40:18,830 --> 02:40:15,670
different triangle i've seen

3954
02:40:21,110 --> 02:40:18,840
yeah i got uh you sent me you sent me an

3955
02:40:22,950 --> 02:40:21,120
image

3956
02:40:24,790 --> 02:40:22,960
yeah it's pretty cool yeah it's pretty

3957
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:24,800
yeah of course yeah

3958
02:40:29,429 --> 02:40:26,640
yeah it's pretty interesting it's uh

3959
02:40:32,630 --> 02:40:29,439
three three lights triangle with a

3960
02:40:44,309 --> 02:40:32,640
a bright light in the middle yeah

3961
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:48,230
no i got it uh i got it today

3962
02:40:52,950 --> 02:40:50,880
and uh i'll pull it up here and look at

3963
02:40:56,230 --> 02:40:52,960
it again

3964
02:40:56,710 --> 02:40:56,240
uh let me see here let me get back to it

3965
02:40:59,910 --> 02:40:56,720
where

3966
02:41:00,950 --> 02:40:59,920
is it i can't tell you how many emails i

3967
02:41:04,150 --> 02:41:00,960
got today

3968
02:41:08,550 --> 02:41:04,160
uh it was a lot let's see here

3969
02:41:12,389 --> 02:41:08,560
see if i can find it

3970
02:41:15,429 --> 02:41:12,399
but uh it was uh

3971
02:41:17,349 --> 02:41:15,439
it was three three lights

3972
02:41:20,070 --> 02:41:17,359
and uh a circle in the middle it was

3973
02:41:23,190 --> 02:41:20,080
sent from you and your uncle

3974
02:41:25,750 --> 02:41:23,200
yeah these things they have

3975
02:41:26,870 --> 02:41:25,760
the i see them flying around and they

3976
02:41:28,950 --> 02:41:26,880
flash and

3977
02:41:30,710 --> 02:41:28,960
they have a red light and it's also in

3978
02:41:34,790 --> 02:41:30,720
the center

3979
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:34,800
and i guess it was this one was closer

3980
02:41:39,750 --> 02:41:36,160
than the last one as

3981
02:41:40,389 --> 02:41:39,760
i have seen and it just lit up on the

3982
02:41:41,990 --> 02:41:40,399
phone i

3983
02:41:43,429 --> 02:41:42,000
i think it might have been a better

3984
02:41:46,630 --> 02:41:43,439
image i don't know

3985
02:41:49,190 --> 02:41:46,640
right right um i can't i can't find i've

3986
02:41:52,070 --> 02:41:49,200
got too many emails in front of me

3987
02:41:53,910 --> 02:41:52,080
um but uh it was you're saying you think

3988
02:41:55,590 --> 02:41:53,920
it was the same image that you guys sent

3989
02:41:58,550 --> 02:41:55,600
me a few months ago

3990
02:42:00,230 --> 02:41:58,560
it didn't look the same if if you got it

3991
02:42:03,110 --> 02:42:00,240
from my uncle it's a different one

3992
02:42:05,830 --> 02:42:03,120
yeah yeah pretty cool image uh send me

3993
02:42:08,389 --> 02:42:05,840
the video let me check it out

3994
02:42:10,070 --> 02:42:08,399
and and tell your uncle ricky i said yo

3995
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:10,080
okay

3996
02:42:17,190 --> 02:42:14,399
much my friend

3997
02:42:17,590 --> 02:42:17,200
yeah have a nice night yeah you too uh

3998
02:42:21,910 --> 02:42:17,600
yeah

3999
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:21,920
i just got this new image in uh

4000
02:42:27,030 --> 02:42:24,960
man i thought i got it today i

4001
02:42:28,150 --> 02:42:27,040
can't oh yeah here it is yeah i got it

4002
02:42:31,030 --> 02:42:28,160
right here

4003
02:42:33,110 --> 02:42:31,040
uh taking a 1056. this is a red light in

4004
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:33,120
the middle and three

4005
02:42:36,790 --> 02:42:35,439
three lights on the outside i don't see

4006
02:42:39,990 --> 02:42:36,800
the edge of the craft

4007
02:42:42,469 --> 02:42:40,000
that i don't see here but the lights are

4008
02:42:45,110 --> 02:42:42,479
are uh pretty visible it's another great

4009
02:42:48,550 --> 02:42:45,120
image i would like to see the uh

4010
02:42:50,550 --> 02:42:48,560
uh the entire video and

4011
02:42:52,469 --> 02:42:50,560
what's cool is with this screen grab i

4012
02:42:53,990 --> 02:42:52,479
can see that it's a video because i can

4013
02:42:57,269 --> 02:42:54,000
see where it's playing

4014
02:42:57,830 --> 02:42:57,279
in the video and they exported this

4015
02:42:59,349 --> 02:42:57,840
frame

4016
02:43:01,190 --> 02:42:59,359
off of the phone and sent it straight to

4017
02:43:03,910 --> 02:43:01,200
me it's pretty cool it's pretty cool

4018
02:43:04,870 --> 02:43:03,920
and it's up close uh it's a very

4019
02:43:06,710 --> 02:43:04,880
interesting image

4020
02:43:09,590 --> 02:43:06,720
let's go back to the phones hi you're

4021
02:43:11,750 --> 02:43:09,600
live on fade to black who's calling

4022
02:43:13,750 --> 02:43:11,760
hey jimmy it's carrie in palm springs

4023
02:43:16,710 --> 02:43:13,760
how are you i'm doing good carrie how

4024
02:43:20,710 --> 02:43:16,720
are you great week on the show right

4025
02:43:24,309 --> 02:43:20,720
oh amazing amazing fantastic guest

4026
02:43:27,510 --> 02:43:24,319
and uh just yeah great

4027
02:43:30,230 --> 02:43:27,520
week thank you so much yeah thank you

4028
02:43:31,910 --> 02:43:30,240
thank you carrie and uh i mean so much

4029
02:43:34,309 --> 02:43:31,920
to talk about right but uh this

4030
02:43:36,150 --> 02:43:34,319
conversation tonight with ralph

4031
02:43:37,429 --> 02:43:36,160
you know what i find interesting i want

4032
02:43:40,870 --> 02:43:37,439
your comment on this

4033
02:43:42,790 --> 02:43:40,880
you know he he and and leslie

4034
02:43:44,550 --> 02:43:42,800
uh put together this article they've got

4035
02:43:45,670 --> 02:43:44,560
to go and vet the information i'm

4036
02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:45,680
talking about december

4037
02:43:52,150 --> 02:43:48,720
of uh 2017 for the new york times

4038
02:43:53,190 --> 02:43:52,160
and the rest of the world flipped the

4039
02:43:56,630 --> 02:43:53,200
frig out

4040
02:43:59,910 --> 02:43:56,640
right it's been great uh almost four

4041
02:44:02,469 --> 02:43:59,920
years of uh total insanity

4042
02:44:03,110 --> 02:44:02,479
and you know to have ralph on the show

4043
02:44:05,349 --> 02:44:03,120
uh it's

4044
02:44:07,510 --> 02:44:05,359
to be a weird feeling for him don't you

4045
02:44:09,269 --> 02:44:07,520
think

4046
02:44:10,630 --> 02:44:09,279
absolutely and i thought it was really

4047
02:44:12,710 --> 02:44:10,640
interesting that you know

4048
02:44:14,230 --> 02:44:12,720
he and leslie are just kind of uh we're

4049
02:44:17,349 --> 02:44:14,240
out of the game now

4050
02:44:19,190 --> 02:44:17,359
you know because it's now into these

4051
02:44:20,710 --> 02:44:19,200
other investigative journalists and

4052
02:44:22,389 --> 02:44:20,720
there's so many

4053
02:44:24,309 --> 02:44:22,399
journalists that are just hot on the

4054
02:44:27,349 --> 02:44:24,319
trail of this big story

4055
02:44:30,790 --> 02:44:27,359
it's uh it's now becoming

4056
02:44:34,309 --> 02:44:30,800
um you know watergate

4057
02:44:35,910 --> 02:44:34,319
it's like watergate and um right

4058
02:44:37,670 --> 02:44:35,920
who do you think should play ralph in

4059
02:44:38,389 --> 02:44:37,680
the movie you know they're gonna make a

4060
02:44:40,230 --> 02:44:38,399
movie

4061
02:44:41,830 --> 02:44:40,240
you know they are you should have seen

4062
02:44:44,309 --> 02:44:41,840
him laugh it was

4063
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:44,319
you know i was kind of joking but

4064
02:44:47,670 --> 02:44:44,960
watching

4065
02:44:50,550 --> 02:44:47,680
ralph laugh i think that i think that

4066
02:44:53,590 --> 02:44:50,560
movie's being made right now

4067
02:44:54,790 --> 02:44:53,600
oh you could be on to something yeah no

4068
02:44:57,030 --> 02:44:54,800
i don't know anything

4069
02:44:58,469 --> 02:44:57,040
a ton of movies being made about this

4070
02:45:00,630 --> 02:44:58,479
subject right now and

4071
02:45:01,910 --> 02:45:00,640
screenwriters going at it and being

4072
02:45:04,389 --> 02:45:01,920
pitched yeah

4073
02:45:05,110 --> 02:45:04,399
absolutely yeah yeah it's been a great

4074
02:45:07,429 --> 02:45:05,120
week

4075
02:45:10,150 --> 02:45:07,439
uh you're gonna be able to survive uh 10

4076
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:10,160
days without a fade to black

4077
02:45:15,750 --> 02:45:13,359
it's going to be tough i'll be honest

4078
02:45:16,550 --> 02:45:15,760
you know it's going to be strange for me

4079
02:45:19,349 --> 02:45:16,560
look i

4080
02:45:20,950 --> 02:45:19,359
i i prepare for this show every day i

4081
02:45:23,830 --> 02:45:20,960
work all weekend long

4082
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:23,840
we we do everything and got you know the

4083
02:45:26,830 --> 02:45:24,479
team

4084
02:45:28,790 --> 02:45:26,840
and and and what we do to put everything

4085
02:45:31,590 --> 02:45:28,800
together and

4086
02:45:32,150 --> 02:45:31,600
i'm not gonna do that yeah yeah it's

4087
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:32,160
gonna be

4088
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:36,640
we're all gonna miss you

4089
02:45:44,070 --> 02:45:39,840
so i have a question for you yes

4090
02:45:45,910 --> 02:45:44,080
um so say we go with the scenario that i

4091
02:45:48,070 --> 02:45:45,920
kind of agree with you on

4092
02:45:49,750 --> 02:45:48,080
that you know there's something coming

4093
02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:49,760
or something undeniable

4094
02:45:53,110 --> 02:45:51,920
that's why the government's kind of you

4095
02:45:56,150 --> 02:45:53,120
know

4096
02:45:56,870 --> 02:45:56,160
doing this soft opening if you will and

4097
02:46:00,309 --> 02:45:56,880
then it's

4098
02:46:01,990 --> 02:46:00,319
gaining momentum and um you know

4099
02:46:03,429 --> 02:46:02,000
the cat's going to be in the bag but

4100
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:03,439
there's going to be a power tail

4101
02:46:08,630 --> 02:46:06,960
sticking out like lou said last night

4102
02:46:10,469 --> 02:46:08,640
so if we go with the scenario that the

4103
02:46:11,750 --> 02:46:10,479
government knows something's coming and

4104
02:46:14,710 --> 02:46:11,760
they've got to kind of

4105
02:46:17,590 --> 02:46:14,720
you know open up the american people and

4106
02:46:19,990 --> 02:46:17,600
talk about it more

4107
02:46:21,269 --> 02:46:20,000
don't you think that that would warrant

4108
02:46:27,910 --> 02:46:21,279
them

4109
02:46:32,469 --> 02:46:31,429
i think dropping i think yeah i know i

4110
02:46:35,590 --> 02:46:32,479
know i know i know

4111
02:46:38,710 --> 02:46:35,600
it's one thing to

4112
02:46:40,550 --> 02:46:38,720
dangle the carrot out there right it's

4113
02:46:42,389 --> 02:46:40,560
one thing to dangle the carrot

4114
02:46:44,070 --> 02:46:42,399
and then you know on the end of a stick

4115
02:46:47,190 --> 02:46:44,080
and then it's another thing

4116
02:46:50,230 --> 02:46:47,200
to start smacking people with the stick

4117
02:46:55,349 --> 02:46:50,240
right right maybe a huge

4118
02:46:59,110 --> 02:46:58,150
come on what's your best prediction and

4119
02:47:02,389 --> 02:46:59,120
i'll give you mine

4120
02:47:05,990 --> 02:47:05,030
i think that the uaptf is going to deal

4121
02:47:08,550 --> 02:47:06,000
with drones

4122
02:47:10,870 --> 02:47:08,560
it's going to be dealing with china and

4123
02:47:13,110 --> 02:47:10,880
russia and adversarial positions a

4124
02:47:14,870 --> 02:47:13,120
defensive measure

4125
02:47:17,110 --> 02:47:14,880
and aerial threats inside of our

4126
02:47:17,910 --> 02:47:17,120
airspace i don't think that there is

4127
02:47:20,309 --> 02:47:17,920
going to be

4128
02:47:21,190 --> 02:47:20,319
if anything would stop that it wouldn't

4129
02:47:24,230 --> 02:47:21,200
be e.t

4130
02:47:27,990 --> 02:47:24,240
you know what would stop that that uh

4131
02:47:31,190 --> 02:47:28,000
the odni finds out that lockheed

4132
02:47:31,830 --> 02:47:31,200
and uh uh you know these uh other

4133
02:47:35,429 --> 02:47:31,840
defense

4134
02:47:39,030 --> 02:47:35,439
uh corporations um have been testing

4135
02:47:41,349 --> 02:47:39,040
uh drones and then

4136
02:47:43,349 --> 02:47:41,359
you know that that it was us all along

4137
02:47:46,469 --> 02:47:43,359
and that would stop that part of it

4138
02:47:49,190 --> 02:47:46,479
and that would be a bigger controversy

4139
02:47:50,630 --> 02:47:49,200
uh than everything else i think

4140
02:47:54,790 --> 02:47:50,640
personally

4141
02:47:58,070 --> 02:47:54,800
that e.t is

4142
02:48:00,790 --> 02:47:58,080
something that wouldn't freak me out

4143
02:48:03,670 --> 02:48:00,800
what would freak me out is you know

4144
02:48:05,990 --> 02:48:03,680
russia having anti-gravity drones

4145
02:48:07,510 --> 02:48:06,000
that you know that that would freak me

4146
02:48:10,710 --> 02:48:07,520
the freak out

4147
02:48:11,110 --> 02:48:10,720
having it be e.t would be but i just

4148
02:48:13,349 --> 02:48:11,120
don't

4149
02:48:14,950 --> 02:48:13,359
see it going in that direction and that

4150
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:14,960
that's that's the way that i

4151
02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:17,920
feel um i'm not even so sure if we're

4152
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:19,760
gonna get anything this month

4153
02:48:23,110 --> 02:48:22,000
you know that's the other part i'm not

4154
02:48:24,870 --> 02:48:23,120
so sure that

4155
02:48:26,790 --> 02:48:24,880
i think that the investigation in this

4156
02:48:29,429 --> 02:48:26,800
report is so complex

4157
02:48:31,590 --> 02:48:29,439
that involves so many different agencies

4158
02:48:32,950 --> 02:48:31,600
so many different arms and branches of

4159
02:48:35,070 --> 02:48:32,960
the military

4160
02:48:36,469 --> 02:48:35,080
at so many different levels and it's so

4161
02:48:37,590 --> 02:48:36,479
compartmentalized

4162
02:48:40,230 --> 02:48:37,600
that they're not going to be able to

4163
02:48:43,510 --> 02:48:40,240
compile this in 180 days

4164
02:48:44,870 --> 02:48:43,520
i i i think it's nearly impossible

4165
02:48:46,950 --> 02:48:44,880
especially in the middle of this

4166
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:46,960
pandemic so

4167
02:48:49,990 --> 02:48:48,960
um i'm not so sure that we're gonna get

4168
02:48:52,870 --> 02:48:50,000
anything in june

4169
02:48:53,269 --> 02:48:52,880
that's my prediction okay so you're

4170
02:48:56,950 --> 02:48:53,279
gonna

4171
02:48:58,870 --> 02:48:56,960
down the can down the street

4172
02:49:00,070 --> 02:48:58,880
and it's going to be drones it's going

4173
02:49:03,990 --> 02:49:00,080
to be

4174
02:49:07,590 --> 02:49:04,000
man-made

4175
02:49:09,990 --> 02:49:07,600
yep yep okay okay

4176
02:49:11,030 --> 02:49:10,000
okay i can i can see that i think that

4177
02:49:13,590 --> 02:49:11,040
they're either going to a

4178
02:49:15,030 --> 02:49:13,600
kick it down the road or b they're going

4179
02:49:17,670 --> 02:49:15,040
to say they don't know what they are

4180
02:49:18,309 --> 02:49:17,680
yeah yeah see that's what i said to

4181
02:49:20,790 --> 02:49:18,319
ralph

4182
02:49:22,389 --> 02:49:20,800
if they go in that direction right it's

4183
02:49:26,630 --> 02:49:22,399
not russia it's not china

4184
02:49:28,630 --> 02:49:26,640
it's not us well then what right

4185
02:49:29,670 --> 02:49:28,640
i mean they're not gonna come out and

4186
02:49:32,389 --> 02:49:29,680
say it's

4187
02:49:33,510 --> 02:49:32,399
e.t they're gonna say we've done an

4188
02:49:36,150 --> 02:49:33,520
investigation

4189
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:36,160
it's clearly not ours and we don't

4190
02:49:40,550 --> 02:49:37,200
believe that it's

4191
02:49:41,510 --> 02:49:40,560
china or russia in the story and that

4192
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:41,520
they've

4193
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:43,520
you know done their due diligence and

4194
02:49:46,950 --> 02:49:44,800
that

4195
02:49:49,830 --> 02:49:46,960
moving forward there's going to be an

4196
02:49:51,990 --> 02:49:49,840
organized systematic way to report

4197
02:49:54,389 --> 02:49:52,000
you know but that's yeah i know i know

4198
02:49:57,990 --> 02:49:54,399
carrie i i totally hear you but that's

4199
02:50:00,710 --> 02:49:58,000
exactly where we are now

4200
02:50:01,190 --> 02:50:00,720
yes oh yeah that's exactly that's not

4201
02:50:04,870 --> 02:50:01,200
any

4202
02:50:07,190 --> 02:50:04,880
new information right

4203
02:50:08,150 --> 02:50:07,200
but maybe to the american people it's a

4204
02:50:13,269 --> 02:50:08,160
drip

4205
02:50:14,790 --> 02:50:13,279
so it gives them a little tiny rabbit

4206
02:50:18,230 --> 02:50:14,800
hole to crawl into

4207
02:50:19,830 --> 02:50:18,240
we shall see carrie enjoy the rest of

4208
02:50:22,469 --> 02:50:19,840
your night your weekend

4209
02:50:24,389 --> 02:50:22,479
and you know i'll be popping in in

4210
02:50:24,790 --> 02:50:24,399
social media and twitter over the next

4211
02:50:27,190 --> 02:50:24,800
uh

4212
02:50:28,790 --> 02:50:27,200
few days or a week or so but but i'll

4213
02:50:29,750 --> 02:50:28,800
see you when i get back thank you so

4214
02:50:32,870 --> 02:50:29,760
much

4215
02:50:33,269 --> 02:50:32,880
sounds good jimmy fade to black fade to

4216
02:50:34,790 --> 02:50:33,279
black

4217
02:50:38,230 --> 02:50:34,800
thank you carrie in palm springs you

4218
02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:42,790
and uh yeah i'm not i'm just

4219
02:50:48,830 --> 02:50:45,760
i'm not so sure i want to be hopeful i

4220
02:50:58,230 --> 02:50:51,750
disclosure absolutely in

4221
02:51:04,870 --> 02:51:03,110
uh uh defense authorization act and read

4222
02:51:06,469 --> 02:51:04,880
that section again which i read to you

4223
02:51:09,269 --> 02:51:06,479
the other night on the air

4224
02:51:10,070 --> 02:51:09,279
posted in social media there isn't any

4225
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:10,080
ufo

4226
02:51:16,309 --> 02:51:14,160
alien recourse in that there isn't any

4227
02:51:17,349 --> 02:51:16,319
implication it doesn't even lean that

4228
02:51:20,710 --> 02:51:17,359
way it doesn't even

4229
02:51:24,070 --> 02:51:20,720
no it doesn't even hint at it um

4230
02:51:24,790 --> 02:51:24,080
uaps incursions into our airspace what

4231
02:51:27,269 --> 02:51:24,800
is it

4232
02:51:28,550 --> 02:51:27,279
okay all right that's in there and they

4233
02:51:31,910 --> 02:51:28,560
want to know what's happening

4234
02:51:33,910 --> 02:51:31,920
so sure that it's gonna go into the

4235
02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:33,920
direction of aliens or et i just don't

4236
02:51:36,550 --> 02:51:34,960
feel it

4237
02:51:37,670 --> 02:51:36,560
all right let's go back to the phones hi

4238
02:51:39,190 --> 02:51:37,680
you're live on fade to black who's

4239
02:51:42,389 --> 02:51:39,200
calling

4240
02:51:43,349 --> 02:51:42,399
hey jimmy it's joe uh rich from staten

4241
02:51:46,710 --> 02:51:43,359
island hey joe

4242
02:51:48,630 --> 02:51:46,720
how are you tonight man oh good huh i

4243
02:51:50,389 --> 02:51:48,640
fell asleep on most of your show so for

4244
02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:50,399
the last 10 minutes

4245
02:51:53,510 --> 02:51:52,720
but the most important part because he

4246
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:53,520
says on the

4247
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:56,160
in the times i got the times apps i went

4248
02:51:59,190 --> 02:51:57,200
to it

4249
02:52:01,590 --> 02:51:59,200
and i saw the video probably just right

4250
02:52:04,230 --> 02:52:01,600
before you did

4251
02:52:04,630 --> 02:52:04,240
and and you know what i thought what was

4252
02:52:07,349 --> 02:52:04,640
in it

4253
02:52:08,790 --> 02:52:07,359
escobar or something oh i don't know i

4254
02:52:11,429 --> 02:52:08,800
think he said it

4255
02:52:13,110 --> 02:52:11,439
you know you guessed yes yes yes ralph

4256
02:52:14,790 --> 02:52:13,120
blumenthal

4257
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:14,800
i'm sorry i don't know what i was

4258
02:52:17,269 --> 02:52:16,479
reading i said look at something else on

4259
02:52:19,910 --> 02:52:17,279
youtube

4260
02:52:21,750 --> 02:52:19,920
but anyway you know i think they said it

4261
02:52:23,910 --> 02:52:21,760
right because you know

4262
02:52:24,790 --> 02:52:23,920
it reminds me of like remember when the

4263
02:52:26,630 --> 02:52:24,800
apollo

4264
02:52:28,389 --> 02:52:26,640
you see me my daddy oh she's watching

4265
02:52:30,309 --> 02:52:28,399
apollo stuff like

4266
02:52:32,070 --> 02:52:30,319
you know it's like a big thing fought

4267
02:52:34,710 --> 02:52:32,080
inside watch the orbits

4268
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:34,720
first and everything it reminded me of

4269
02:52:39,429 --> 02:52:37,359
the early days of apollo

4270
02:52:40,830 --> 02:52:39,439
they got the same except like wow like

4271
02:52:44,469 --> 02:52:40,840
look at that we're

4272
02:52:45,269 --> 02:52:44,479
orbiting or let's say now well they got

4273
02:52:59,590 --> 02:52:45,279
a

4274
02:53:02,389 --> 02:52:59,600
know or not

4275
02:53:04,309 --> 02:53:02,399
it's like just to have that on tv and or

4276
02:53:07,990 --> 02:53:04,319
even times or whatever i

4277
02:53:09,349 --> 02:53:08,000
i i think i think it's a fair assessment

4278
02:53:11,269 --> 02:53:09,359
of what they did and how they're

4279
02:53:14,469 --> 02:53:11,279
approaching it actually

4280
02:53:15,750 --> 02:53:14,479
well we're going to find out look uh

4281
02:53:16,550 --> 02:53:15,760
we're going to find out one way or

4282
02:53:18,550 --> 02:53:16,560
another

4283
02:53:20,070 --> 02:53:18,560
i don't know and and joe i want to thank

4284
02:53:23,269 --> 02:53:20,080
you uh for the phone call

4285
02:53:24,150 --> 02:53:23,279
uh before uh i i get to uh the next

4286
02:53:26,150 --> 02:53:24,160
caller

4287
02:53:27,590 --> 02:53:26,160
but uh we're going to find out i don't

4288
02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:27,600
know if this report's going to happen

4289
02:53:30,870 --> 02:53:28,240
this month

4290
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:30,880
i don't so we'll find that out if it

4291
02:53:33,590 --> 02:53:31,680
does happen

4292
02:53:34,870 --> 02:53:33,600
and there's a public part of this which

4293
02:53:37,830 --> 02:53:34,880
is supposed to be

4294
02:53:39,990 --> 02:53:37,840
and the odni releases that part of it

4295
02:53:43,429 --> 02:53:40,000
we'll be able to start to move forward

4296
02:53:45,590 --> 02:53:43,439
uh one way or another this month in june

4297
02:53:46,550 --> 02:53:45,600
we're gonna find out something i just

4298
02:53:48,950 --> 02:53:46,560
don't know what it is

4299
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:48,960
joe i want you to have a great night and

4300
02:53:53,349 --> 02:53:50,399
i'll see you when i get back from out of

4301
02:53:56,150 --> 02:53:53,359
town thank you so much

4302
02:53:58,309 --> 02:53:56,160
okay well thank you jimmy you take care

4303
02:54:01,590 --> 02:53:58,319
have a great night joe

4304
02:54:03,429 --> 02:54:01,600
and uh joe from stanton island

4305
02:54:04,870 --> 02:54:03,439
um i don't know i don't know i don't

4306
02:54:08,469 --> 02:54:04,880
know we're in the countdown

4307
02:54:09,590 --> 02:54:08,479
mode today is june 3rd i believe that

4308
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:09,600
the date is

4309
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:13,120
thursday june 24th that would be

4310
02:54:17,510 --> 02:54:16,560
the end of the 180 days we'll see what

4311
02:54:19,990 --> 02:54:17,520
happens

4312
02:54:21,349 --> 02:54:20,000
uh friday june 25th is going to be an

4313
02:54:23,190 --> 02:54:21,359
interesting day

4314
02:54:24,469 --> 02:54:23,200
not only for this community but all of

4315
02:54:27,110 --> 02:54:24,479
those reporters and

4316
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:27,120
all of the media that has been covering

4317
02:54:29,670 --> 02:54:27,600
this

4318
02:54:32,150 --> 02:54:29,680
subject i got time for one more call

4319
02:54:35,030 --> 02:54:32,160
who's calling

4320
02:54:35,990 --> 02:54:35,040
it's deb or as the youtube chat room

4321
02:54:40,790 --> 02:54:36,000
refers to me

4322
02:54:45,030 --> 02:54:43,349
making friends over there they're wild i

4323
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:45,040
love them over there they're like me

4324
02:54:48,070 --> 02:54:45,359
they're

4325
02:54:48,469 --> 02:54:48,080
wild i can't i can't i don't even follow

4326
02:54:50,710 --> 02:54:48,479
it i

4327
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:50,720
i try i click over there during the

4328
02:54:56,870 --> 02:54:52,640
breaks and take a quick look

4329
02:54:59,030 --> 02:54:56,880
but uh the the comments just fly by

4330
02:55:00,790 --> 02:54:59,040
and uh i just i know i just can't keep

4331
02:55:01,990 --> 02:55:00,800
up with it but but it's a lot of fun

4332
02:55:05,429 --> 02:55:02,000
over there for sure okay

4333
02:55:07,190 --> 02:55:05,439
so they are fun so jimmy um

4334
02:55:09,750 --> 02:55:07,200
i don't want to talk about ufos i want

4335
02:55:12,150 --> 02:55:09,760
to talk about your trip there

4336
02:55:13,510 --> 02:55:12,160
first of all before before we get to you

4337
02:55:15,030 --> 02:55:13,520
getting there because i have a list of

4338
02:55:16,309 --> 02:55:15,040
three things you have to do when you get

4339
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:16,319
there

4340
02:55:19,590 --> 02:55:18,160
um but you mentioned yesterday you might

4341
02:55:22,790 --> 02:55:19,600
want to buy an rv

4342
02:55:27,269 --> 02:55:22,800
you should so you can go squatching

4343
02:55:33,750 --> 02:55:31,269
awakening dave schrader would be boring

4344
02:55:35,030 --> 02:55:33,760
no i'm kidding i'm kidding see look you

4345
02:55:38,790 --> 02:55:35,040
just got all up

4346
02:55:41,110 --> 02:55:38,800
go squatching with dave schrader

4347
02:55:42,950 --> 02:55:41,120
i you know it's a guarantee of something

4348
02:55:44,950 --> 02:55:42,960
strange happening

4349
02:55:46,630 --> 02:55:44,960
uh there yeah well i told you he's gonna

4350
02:55:49,830 --> 02:55:46,640
be going with melba catch him too

4351
02:55:51,429 --> 02:55:49,840
so i told you ring him up and find out

4352
02:55:52,550 --> 02:55:51,439
when that's gonna happen and you can go

4353
02:55:54,469 --> 02:55:52,560
with him

4354
02:55:56,790 --> 02:55:54,479
okay all right and what was your not a

4355
02:55:58,150 --> 02:55:56,800
while back okay we got 60 seconds what

4356
02:56:00,150 --> 02:55:58,160
was your second point okay

4357
02:56:02,389 --> 02:56:00,160
when first thing first thing when you

4358
02:56:03,110 --> 02:56:02,399
get the laughlin you gotta pick a slot

4359
02:56:05,910 --> 02:56:03,120
machine

4360
02:56:07,429 --> 02:56:05,920
and go beckley tap it and play it it's

4361
02:56:08,469 --> 02:56:07,439
got to be a dollar machine and you got

4362
02:56:11,110 --> 02:56:08,479
to do max bet

4363
02:56:12,309 --> 02:56:11,120
that's number one number two you gotta

4364
02:56:14,710 --> 02:56:12,319
find either some

4365
02:56:16,710 --> 02:56:14,720
pecan waffles to eat or some sausage

4366
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:16,720
biscuit um gravy well

4367
02:56:19,750 --> 02:56:18,720
you know sausage gravy and biscuits you

4368
02:56:23,349 --> 02:56:19,760
have to do that

4369
02:56:24,790 --> 02:56:23,359
okay and number three is because you're

4370
02:56:27,429 --> 02:56:24,800
going to be using your voice more than

4371
02:56:29,429 --> 02:56:27,439
you anticipated

4372
02:56:30,630 --> 02:56:29,439
you have to get this tea called throat

4373
02:56:33,190 --> 02:56:30,640
coat

4374
02:56:35,429 --> 02:56:33,200
and it totally relaxes your vocal cords

4375
02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:35,439
and makes your voice last longer

4376
02:56:40,469 --> 02:56:38,560
it's a t very important it's a t and

4377
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:40,479
it's called throat coat and you can get

4378
02:56:44,230 --> 02:56:42,000
it like at a safeway or anywhere you

4379
02:56:47,269 --> 02:56:44,240
don't have to go to a specialty store

4380
02:56:49,190 --> 02:56:47,279
and it totally tastes good and it really

4381
02:56:51,750 --> 02:56:49,200
extends and relaxes your vocal cords and

4382
02:56:54,630 --> 02:56:51,760
helps your voice last longer

4383
02:56:56,150 --> 02:56:54,640
okay i'll check that out i mean i do uh

4384
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:56,160
everybody knows my secret

4385
02:57:01,510 --> 02:56:59,680
ricolas and jolly ranchers

4386
02:57:03,750 --> 02:57:01,520
i mean i've i figured that one out a

4387
02:57:05,349 --> 02:57:03,760
long time ago and that's what

4388
02:57:07,349 --> 02:57:05,359
keeps me going through all of these

4389
02:57:10,150 --> 02:57:07,359
conferences

4390
02:57:11,349 --> 02:57:10,160
yeah well you know when you when you use

4391
02:57:13,110 --> 02:57:11,359
your voice for a living

4392
02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:13,120
i mean that's you know you just have to

4393
02:57:16,710 --> 02:57:14,960
really take care of your pipes jimmy

4394
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:16,720
we're gonna miss you very much i hope

4395
02:57:20,550 --> 02:57:18,240
you'll be popping in and giving us a few

4396
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:20,560
pictures or a video or something

4397
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:23,040
and let us know how you're doing because

4398
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:24,160
we're all going to be going through with

4399
02:57:27,110 --> 02:57:25,600
jimmy withdrawal but you know

4400
02:57:29,990 --> 02:57:27,120
we'll be here when you get back yeah

4401
02:57:31,990 --> 02:57:30,000
yeah no big deal and uh

4402
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:32,000
but i'll be hanging out in social media

4403
02:57:35,670 --> 02:57:33,200
but uh thank you so much

4404
02:57:38,550 --> 02:57:35,680
deb and i'll see you well on social

4405
02:57:41,269 --> 02:57:38,560
media but i'll see you in about 10 days

4406
02:57:42,710 --> 02:57:41,279
okay dear take care have fun fade to

4407
02:57:46,070 --> 02:57:42,720
black

4408
02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:46,080
about yeah

4409
02:57:52,870 --> 02:57:49,200
right well that's it that uh what a

4410
02:57:57,030 --> 02:57:52,880
great week on on fade to black

4411
02:57:59,990 --> 02:57:57,040
it's just uh lisa o'hara right billy cox

4412
02:58:02,389 --> 02:58:00,000
last night uh lou elizondo tonight ralph

4413
02:58:05,269 --> 02:58:02,399
blumenthal what a great week and then

4414
02:58:07,590 --> 02:58:05,279
um eric von daniken released uh his uh

4415
02:58:10,230 --> 02:58:07,600
podcast today for charity to the gods

4416
02:58:11,269 --> 02:58:10,240
so you got some eric von daniken in this

4417
02:58:13,269 --> 02:58:11,279
week too it's been

4418
02:58:14,309 --> 02:58:13,279
extraordinary it's been a lot of fun uh

4419
02:58:16,309 --> 02:58:14,319
for me

4420
02:58:17,349 --> 02:58:16,319
i've got a lot to do i'm gonna wrap up

4421
02:58:20,150 --> 02:58:17,359
tonight

4422
02:58:20,870 --> 02:58:20,160
close down the studio tomorrow pack

4423
02:58:23,269 --> 02:58:20,880
prepare

4424
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:23,279
get everything ready and then hit the

4425
02:58:26,950 --> 02:58:24,720
road first thing

4426
02:58:29,670 --> 02:58:26,960
saturday morning so i want everybody to

4427
02:58:30,309 --> 02:58:29,680
just enjoy your time off i'll be hanging

4428
02:58:32,790 --> 02:58:30,319
out

4429
02:58:34,389 --> 02:58:32,800
on social media facebook and twitter

4430
02:58:37,590 --> 02:58:34,399
i'll see if i can do some live

4431
02:58:39,190 --> 02:58:37,600
things uh from the conference and uh and

4432
02:58:40,309 --> 02:58:39,200
if you're going to the conference i look

4433
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forward to

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seeing all of you so with that i'm gonna

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get out of here

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it's been a great week it's been a great

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year and now i'm going to take

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some time off and go to laughlin nevada

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for the ufo megacon

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theta blocks executive producers rita

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kamerian shows produced by hilton j

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palmer renee dennis and kevin

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announcers are steve harter gene vettel

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02:59:08,269 --> 02:59:05,200
mark d kovar webmasters drew the geek

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music doug aldrich intro spaceboy

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spaceboymusic.com

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fade to black is produced by kjcr for

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the game changer network and syndication

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is ktra

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the planet this broadcast owned

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copyrighted 2021 by fade to black in the

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game changer network inc

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it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

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copied or used anywhere in the known

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universe

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without written permission from fade to

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black or the game changer network i'm

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yields jimmy church

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everybody enjoy your week away from fade

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to black

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i'll see you on social media i want you

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to be

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safe it's time to

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so